Undead aims =/= Horde aims. This will be made even clearer soon when Saurfang gets his butt out of the wilderness and starts turning the Horde back into what it should be. Sylvanas is now the Queen of Death for reasons. Have to wonder how the blood elves feel about seeing fallen night elves on Darkshore raised as new dark rangers to serve their mistress. What exactly is the difference between raising a blood elf or a night elf as a minion of the Scourge? None. Replace Scourge with Banshee Queen and the answer remains the same.Chop, chop, pronto, please Saurfang.
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Renegades and BEs are in Horde's side for the same reason: Humans have been jerks in the past with all of them.and that's why nocs are in the horde: because Tyrande acted like an idiot.I do not like Sylvanas's attitudes, but she's far from Garrosh and all her stupid talk about pure horde and racial supremacy. I have enjoyed the talanji too much and I expect great things from it. From Jaina I do not expect anything beyond what she already does, I like her since Warcraft 3 and I'm glad she has not been "thrown away" after so much bad happening to her since she appeared in the game. People find it bad that Jaina's backstory is about her coming to her family, but to someone who has lost everything in life while just trying to do the right thing, I think she deserves a time of peace. Even during a war. Sometimes I can't separate what is misogyny or what is not...It is curious how the warcraft community insists on crying and complaining that Anduin does not have such toxic masculinity, just as they insist on attack Golden. If you don't like how she writes desn't mean she's bad.I always thought Thrall was a pain in the ass, but I never despised the Metzen's work, which was fu***g great!...The lore of warcraft has a lot more interesting things happening now than in the last two expansions, but apparently the guys prefer the time when we only had a bunch of muscular and hairy orcs being important characters. lol
Forsaken race intro from vanilla until the beginning of Cataclysm. "Bound to the iron will of the tyrant Lich King, the vast Undead armies of the Scourge seek to eradicate all life on Azeroth. Led by the Banshee Sylvanas Windrunner, a group of renegades broke away from the Scourge and freed themselves of the Lich King's domination. Known by some as the Forsaken, this group fights a constant battle not only to retain its freedom from the Scourge, but also to slaughter those who would hunt them as monsters. With Sylvanas as their Banshee Queen, the Forsaken have built a dark stronghold beneath the ruins of Lordaeron's former capital city. This hidden Undercity forms a sprawling labyrinth that stretches beneath the haunted woods of Tirisfal Glades.Though the very land is cursed, the zealous Humans of the Scarlet Crusade still cling to their scattered holdings, obsessed with the eradication of the Undead and retaking their homeland. Convinced that the primitive races of the Horde can help them achieve victory over their enemies, the Forsaken have entered an alliance of convenience. Harboring no true loyalty for their new allies, they go to any lengths to ensure their dark plans come to fruition. As one of the Forsaken, you must massacre any who pose a threat to the new order, Human, Undead, or otherwise."You can find a video of it on youtube.
The Forsaken joined the Horde. Now, this may not have meant a lot for them at the time, and may not mean much for the "Alliance of convenience' type folks following the Little Lion, but it's incredibly important, especially post-Wrath. The cultural and social framework of the Horde nation far outweighs the importance or power of any one group within its purview; not orc, not undead, not troll, not elf. Garrosh may have told Sylvanas to 'watch her clever mouth, $%^&*.' in Silverpine when she answered the difference between her and the Lich King (namely that she serves the Horde), but she was and still is completely correct. The Horde exists in a greater context than simply to be ordered around by the Warchief. If Sylvanas mistreats that throne and the people like Garrosh did, then she's liable to face the same fate he did.The Horde as a socio-political organism is just straight up better than the Alliance. It provides better solutions at faster speeds, treats its component races better, and acquires newer and more esoteric allies easier. The Alliance factions need to either adopt the Horde's internal policies (primarily not judging people by their race, and accepting anyone who needs help), seek existence within the Horde for protections, or fall and be consumed by the greater force.This is nature. This is biology. This is war. Maybe if the Alliance could quell the issues that started this war to begin with, there could be actual lasting peace between the factions. The multiple times that the Alliance has attacked the Horde out of the blue and then conveniently 'forgot' about it have fostered deep mistrust that hasn't been addressed. A child who only performs good deeds when they're watched is not a good person- they're a manipulative liar. Daelin, Genn, (and to a lesser degree Varian, since he learned) believed they could get away with what they did, and have been lauded as heroes for their actions. The Horde equivalents of Krom'gar, Stilwater, and Garrosh? They were slaughtered and spit on for what they did. Alliance players, maybe account for your faction's own failings before going after the Horde for being lead by a zombie.
In the quest before "Consoling the King", when you have escorted Anduin to his father's tomb, Anduin says: I've heard the voice of the people, but how do my father's advisors feel? I fear they do not trust me as they did my father." I always felt that it was Genn that didn't trust, while the others were all willing to support and advise on a dime. Then, in the quest "A Kingdom's Heart", King Greymane says" A king must know the weight of the orders he gives--the price of them. If a compass breaks his spirit, how will he respond when the war arrives on our doorstep?" Turning in the Quest, Anduin then says "They're right. They're absolutely right. I must go to the Broken Shore and see for myself the Sacrifice my father made." Anduin was always good about gathering the facts before taking action, which he's shown throughout several expansions now. While Varian was a brave King, you can't expect his kid to be exactly the same as his father. If you listen to the Alliance-side cut-scene when he discovers Azerite from the SI:7 agent, even then he even logically defends the Goblins' hiding the fact that they were mining it.When you turn in the quest, "A Personal Message", after Anduin eavesdrops, Velen says that he won't tell Greymane right away about Anduin going to the Broken Shore. Instead, he says that he will tell him "when the time is right". This is indicating that Velen doesn't completely trust Genn Greymane either. Hmmm...Then you go to the Broken Shore and assist Anduin. Post cut-scene where Anduin sees the shadows of the past of his father falling at the Broken shore, he realizes just how important it was for him to see what motivates hero's to fight evil for Azeroth. There is so much to be revealed here about Anduin, but he may be more cunning that we are led on to believe in current content (for good reason). After all, Anduin spent several years learning all there was to know about The Light, so it's no wonder he saw the past visions the way he did, and possibly will see more for the future (like we saw in the Saurfang video Blizzard released late last year).On the Broken Shore, Anduin goes on to tell how Varian shielded him from wars. "Babied" is what we'd call that today. Anduin knew that Varian didn't want to risk losing him, but was also a sceptic of his father's reasoning after the Onyxia incident all the way until after the Divine Bell incident. Anduin allying with "Mrs. Void" Alleria Windrunner may prove insightful to Anduin, teach him to balance his powers more that will possibly lead the way to N'Zoth's demise, and not just prove Velen's visions correct about Anduin leading an army into darkness. He may reveal that the World Tree was in fact built on top of one of the most powerful Old God's power-points and that Sylvannas "possibly" destroyed it to eliminate the erupting power beneath it from feeding off the Night Elf power. After all, she too communes with darkness through her Valkyr. Again, just speculation on my part.In Legion, when Vo'jin fell, there was no follow-up quest indicating what he heard from the whispers in the dark. That this possibly leads to N'Zoth is lore-wise satisfactory. I always felt that there should have been a similar quest on Horde side that mirrored a story similar to that of Anduin, so I am glad to see that appears now with Vol'jin. It also makes me really wonder what other Legion artifacts wil be tied in to the Old Gods that were involved with Xalatath and N'Zoth. The Warlock and the Ret Pally Ashbringer are two that immediately come to mind. I wonder if Legion Artifacts will then make their way back into the game and be infused with Azerite somehow instead? Just speculation on my part.But in the beginning BFA scenario, while breaking Talanji out of the stockades with Zul, it's very apparent she doesn't trust him as far as she can throw him. And the way he manipulates Jaina with his mind-control, what's not to say he was responsible for the "shadowy whispers" that Vol'jin heard? And in the horde-side scenario, where you are escaping Stormwind, there is such a huge amount of Worgen that appear to attack you (in the cut-scene) that it makes me wonder whether Genn Greymane only plays advisor to Anduin for the sole purpose of gaining influence to enact his blind revenge on Sylvannas without considering the greater picture of Azeroth needing saved.For the most part, it feels good to have bits and pieces from past story-lines (Old Gods, past Guardians, Relics, and unresolved battles) slowly weaved together as they have been since Legion (actually, for me it has been fitting together since Cata). I would personally be disappointed if I was given all the story line at once in one expansion.