im sure glad they fixed the health of those mobs in pit of saron....................................AFTER the timewalking event was over
Missions for bloods are now garrison resource neutral. However, you can still use those bloods to buy account-bound resource caches, to give to your alts. So you can still use your main to feed your alts that way. Also of course world quests can still give bloods, and 6 classes have instant daily WQ completes costing 100 resources.I don't have any major problem with garrisons being self-sustaining, so long as they don't give gold rewards. Those gold rewards are the real problem here.
The fact that 6 classes have fully sustainable order halls and the others do not is the problem Rodalpho. The Blood of Sargeras missions made all order halls sustainable, thus creating an even playing field.
Well the Pit of Saron on last TW felt really boosted up, as doing those TW dungs since they started, i never remember it being so hard. Actually if felt how it was back in WotLK when you entered with normal gear, as on first run this week group wiped lot of times as tank or healer wasn't max level with full artefact unlock. And while before lower level people wasn't hard issue in TW previously, just a bit lack in dps or bit more squashy, now it was legit issue.
Take some minutes to read and think about what I have to say below (LONG TEXT):To everyone whining about order hall order resources missions 'nerf'. I've never seen the use of them on my toons, I have 12 toons leveled, prepared and farming for gold for MONTHS, and I've never used these missions to replenish the OR. Mostly because I never saw them 'so cheap' to begin with, and to me they never 'buffed' them recently. Most missions asked for 1800 OR, while giving a total of less than 10 BoS, counter-productive IMO. I decided to 'farm' OR only on those profession WQ, lots of them will give 10 BoS, per toon with the same profession. It was just a matter of having all professions spreaded out on the 12 toons of a server, I even had 8 toons with engineering, and could craft 8 copies of the WQ item and send the 7 others to the alts. You don't need to level and craft the items on each toon, that would be counter-productive, you'd only need one. And there're those classes that can auto-complete WQ with their class halls (DK, Warrior, Mage, DH, Warlock and Paladin) for when you need to spare some profession materials.Also, instead of equipping my toons' followers all on gold-giving equipment, I prefered the OR ones instead, because 100-500 OR equals 1000-3000 gold per mission, per toon, per 'day'. And you'll have more time left to even PLAY the game properly than spamming WQ's with gold-equipped followers, or even old-raid farming.I NEVER DEPENDED ON THE CLASS HALL'S BoS MISSIONS TO KEEP MY FLOW ON GOLD. This 'nerf' on them? Won't touch my income at all, you people (those that couldn't see the obvious) out there whining, are just doing it over something that had other ways. I still log in each character each day pretty much to only do these Gold missions. Also, a word of advice, DO NOT SPEND OR ON THE OTHER KIND OF MISSIONS UNLESS YOU REALLY NEED THEM. I even spend some OR on the Battle Pet Charm Missions, and some Reputation token ones, and that's all, for my alts, and still, I can manage to keep the flow every day of gold on my 12 toons. I dunno what 'change' blizz made recently that people said they had 'reduced' the cost of the BoS missions, but even if they changed it so you could get 2x the cost back, I'd rather keep my 'strat above', and BELIEVE ME, I've tested other ways of gold farming during this expansion, and apart of the AH (which is really realm economy dependant), Class Halls missions + OR-equipped follower to fast replenish OR when you can (some WQ are fast and you can even do some Emissaries, to get some new leggos on alts) + keeping an eye on those WQ giving 10 BoS, and you'll keep the gold flowing on one server, you could even stop paying the game (with real money), and buy other games from Blizz's shop, I've bought Diablo III+expac+necro, OW on the recent christmas discounts, Blizzcon ticket, Starcraft remastered, some pets and mounts from it, during Legion's lifetime. Hooray for those that will be paying from their pockets, but I still see more advantage this way, you could even spare some real money for an upgrade on your PC, or even buy a new one, BfA is coming with huge changes, they are already increasing the minimum requirements, again.As most of all things, preparing 12 toons for the gold farming might take some time, and I can say, with MONTHS of practice, that you can begin this even by putting the followers on 850 ilvl, 950 ilvl might net some more gold but 850 ilvl already give around ~2000g if you manage the 200% bonus, and I say 200% using the PC Client. The smartphone/tablet app has a well known high chance to 'round' the numbers to 200% when it might still be 197% 190%, and you still will fail the 200%. Playing from the PC, those calculations are 100% sure. All the people I see in forums complaining about 'failing gold missions at 200%', put print screens from their smartphones. From today untill BfA you can still level 5+ toons and prepare them to farm gold (if you haven't already) to at least be less dependant on paying month time. For those that already had 12 toons, and were 'fool' enough to farm OR thru the Class Hall BoS missions, you fell on the trick, sorry for you, but you still have time. I even have some toons that don't have professions with more than 150 levels, and they still SEE these WQ's giving 10 BoS, you only NEED ONE toon with it leveled, don't even need to do ALL the profession's quests, just plain level them to around 700 and you're good. Then once you see these WQ pop, log on the toon with higher levels, you can even BUY some materials with BoS, a few will net you enough for more toons, and send copies to those that have the same prof, do the WQ on this one, and log on the next ones to do. While not spending much OR on the alts (I mostly do the gold missions, BPet charm and some rep tokens if I can) you can even avoid doing the WQ event, that asks for 20 WQ, giving 5k at the end.I have 1000+ BoS now, on 11 toons of a server, I didn't even level the 4 allied races yet (farming Bnet balance yet to buy BfA deluxe on presale).I repeat: CH BoS missions aren't 'worth' the OR spent on them, avoid them at all costs. Blizz will still 'nerf' the gold farming in Legion someday, but this? This isn't a nerf. To what? A thing that doesn't replenish the OR you spend on the missions accordingly? Pffft... I see that they might 'migrate' the gold farming to BfA, like they did with WoD to Legion. Lots of people whining on the forums about 'blizz nerfing their gold farming stuff'. I don't think they will 'remove' it at all, since it's a transaction, in the game, and of the kind that someone 'pays' to you, in gold, that is generated by legal means, that blizz can control, nothing wrong with it. I had hopes that most people would have noticed this months before, specially those that farm on lots of toons already, was even about to create a 'CH Gold Farming Guide' on wowhead man.
Legendary Token - just another TEMPORARY solution currently there are not many people with that many chars with full Legendary item collection so it won't be noticeable. However sooner or later time will come when you will need Token for one of specific classes and you will have to rotate tokens several times between your full Legendary chars before you finally get one for char which can use it.BoA Class token used on full Legendary char should just turn to BoA generic token and be done with it - They will likely change it to this later when current FIX will stop to be sufficientBoS missions - before you can get enough BoS to get more resources then invested - currently you break even - so these missions are to get crafting material and transfer of resources between chars. Relatively reasonable as you can get enough Order resources or BoS to sustain Gold missions fast enough with minimal playtime
If the only thing keeping you in the game was order hall missions, its prolly better if you do unsub. Waste of money if all you are doing is that
When it comes to the order hall mission blood of sargeras nerf. They now cost just as many order hall resources it would cost to just buy them. DO NOT DO THESE MISSIONS ANYMORE. They are a waste of time now since your spending just as many order hall resources that you would buy with them. The only reason to do these missions is if you want to "buy" bloods for the same amount of resources you get we you spend bloods.For numbers, you get 200 resources for 1 blood of sargeras. you get 1 blood for 1000 resources if you buy them from the vendor in your order hall.you get 1 blood for 200 resources if you do the order hall mission at 200% with the reduced mission cost.