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Comment by Cakku

+240 haste rating for 6s, if proc rate is high enough this might be the best pve-dps meta gem for rogues and other melee classes.

Comment by cyborg99

I believe this is one of the new gems being added in patch 2.1

Comment by 46787

does anybody know if this affects cat form speed? because if it does then HALLELUJAH

Comment by gakuto

with new item changes, getting good multi-colored gems and stats high will be effortless. there's no reason to pass up this great gem because of a small stat.

Comment by 37560

Need someone to run procwatch on it.

Comment by 22086

Please don't look at the PPM in his Test. He made 226 Hits in like 12 Minutes!? I as a rogue do 2000 hits in that time. You can only compare the % chances, and to see those the number of hits is way too low :/

Comment by 37560

I will be downloading procwatch as I just got the gem today, tested in heroic SP. It seems to proc about once every minute (really low).

The proc is called Skyfire Swiftness, lasts 6 seconds, 240 haste rating.

Comment by 38144

Does anyone know if there is there a hidden cooldown effect on the proc?

If not, I'd vouch for Relentless Earthstorm Diamond (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=39961) as superior for Rogue PvE DPS. +3% crit bonus damage alone gives 10 DPS to a dagger rogue, more than the 4.6 that the Hunter achieved (a rogue could probably get it higher, but not 10 dps + 12 agil).

Comment by 22086

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I tried two settings: autoattacking only without SnD and having a Tank so i could use Mutilate + finishers with SnD up the whole time. It always ended up with 0,7 PPM and no proc was closer than one minute to another one. I guess there's a hidden cooldown of 1 Minute on this gem. Sadly, this puts it below Relentless Earthstorm Diamond damagewise.

Little calculation with 0,7 PPM:

367 Whitedps * 1,3 (SnD) = 477,1
Assuming the Proc comes every 85 Seconds (0,7 PPM) it would mean 7% Uptime of Skyfire Swiftness.
7% of 477,1 DPS is affected by the buff which means:

477,1 * 0,07 * 1,23 + 477,1 * 0,93 = 41,1 + 443,7 = 484,8 DPS total
Net Increase of 7,7 DPS (which is far better than any of the "old" metagems)

Let's compare this to Relentless Earthstorm Diamond (12 Agi + 3% Critdamage) - assuming it applys to Whitehits too, since i don't know about that right now.

Critchance of 33% with the 12 Agi applied. Every 3rd hit is a crit. Assuming 900 total DPS:
450 DPS from Crits (33%*2 = 66%) (bit more with Lethality, leaving that out of the equotation though)
450 DPS * 1,03 = 463,5 DPS. Net Increase of 13,5 DPS + ~ 0,3% Crit + 12 AP.

As you can see the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond is superior to the thundering skyfire diamond - assuming there really is a hidden cooldown of 1 Minute. Hopefully someone else can do some research and prove me wrong!

I *hope* the calculation is correct - if you see any errors please let me know.

Greetings

Comment by 56772

Can someone confirm that this stacks with mongoose?

Thank you

Comment by Eclair

This evening i tried it, 0.9PPM for 2500 hit, about 30min of fight. I think the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond, with simple maths we can figure that buffed in raid with like 35-40% crit, this will up your damage by 0,03x35=1,2% or so. And the 12 agi is great too.

So definitly Relentless Earthstorm Diamond > Swiftness Skyfire Diamond.

Comment by 58652

So does anyone agree with the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond is better than the Thundering Skyfire Diamond for a hunter? people I am talking to are about to get it instead of Relentless. I have the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond atm.

Comment by 46362

Haste rating only increases WHITE dps. It has no effect on your instant attacks or special shots for hunters.

The +3% crit damage from Relentless Earthstorm Diamond will affect crits from White hits and Yellow hits alike.

Comment by 62536

Theoretically, this gem would scale really well with higher end gear since you hit much harder. But similarly the Relentless gem also scales with the 3% extra crit damage. Do any of you think it's possible that the Thundering gem would scale better at the top tiers than the relentless gem?

Comment by vocel

This gem should be better for fury wars than anything else, since fury wars don't benefit as much as rogues do from the +12 agil on RED as rogues do and the haste inc works better for fury wars since +haste increases our rage generation in an even more effective way than it helps combat rogues /w combat potency and their energy generation..

...also more haste = faster HSs / cleaves, where as rogues have no such attacks that work with the same emchanic

thats my opinion, though i havent tested it

Comment by 69654

This gem, just like just about everything in WoW, is only as good as you stack it. The lower proc rate means that if it's the only piece of haste gear you have, it's not going to be that fantastic.

However, stacking this with alot of other +haste gear on any DW class, can be simply disgusting. There are several main hands with +haste procs (hammersmithing, heroic SH) off hands with +haste procs, trinkets with use +haste, innate +haste on cloaks and BT gear if your lucky enough, and all 3 DW classes (not counting hunters) have talents to give them innate +haste procs.

Stacking +haste means worse case scenario, you have several haste procs hit spread out over a fight. Best case scenario, they all proc on top of each other, and whatever your fighting becomes a bloody mess. But without stacking it, any piece on it's own is slightly mediocre.

Comment by Faradize

i use this as bm hunter for 3 days now, and it proc very rarely, ill change it for another meta...just dont worth it :(

Comment by Frogger101

As a retribution dps paladin in raids this thing is king, haste benefits us the most arguably for raid dps, mind you our threat is off the walls at this point in time. because most of our dps (more then 50%) is based off our white hits and procs off those white hits, (seal of command being a PPM) your haste will greatly benefit you as it also increases your PPM of SoComm. One good thing to not that most paladins use a 3.8 speed weapon for pve dps, increasing your speed to 3.71 will give you 4 attacks while vengeance is up instead of 3 giving you an additional chance to keep it up, which in turn, realy does help your dps.

i would choose this over relentless meta gem for retribution paladins for sure.
just remember you only need enough crit to keep vengeance up, all your other item value points should be leaned towards AP and Haste after that. 25% crit is a good place to sit.

i recommend http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32665 as your dps cloak, the haste is worth ATLEAST 90 AP when your AP is 2000+ which, is easily surpassed in a raiding environment, which is better then any cloak till at least after SSC.

obviously the true power in haste is it scales the static AP. Sorry if i got off topic there, but i hope that atleast helps the Paladin community.

-Slayton

Comment by Wakako

Anyone else think this is best meta gem so far?

Comment by 81596

I am a rogue. And just got this, the proc rate is quite awsome, and for those who say it has a hidden cooldown.
This might be true, but i had it proc 2 times within 20 sec or something.
And that was with SND, mongoose proc only.

Bet if you use dragonspinethrophy it would proc alot more. The faster hit the more hits
the more chance for it to proc.
But definely worth getting.

Comment by Senka

Considering this gem's proc gives +240 haste rating, and not +% haste, would this still be better than Relentless Earthstorm Diamond (+12 agi, +3% crit damage bonus) when 2.2 comes with its haste rating nerf?

Comment by 45047

I somewhere read that the duration of this buff has been increased with 2.2, to match with the haste-nerf... is there any truth in this rumor?

Comment by 36045

As of 2.2 15.76 haste rating is equal to 1% faster attack. This formula is from wowwiki and shows how to calculate increases in haste with different sources. Haste now multiplies with other sources. Ex 120% x 130% = 156%

The formula for determining hasted weapon speed is:

Hasted Speed = Weapon Speed / ( (1+(Haste 1 %/100)) * (1+Haste 2 %/100)) * (1+(((Haste Rating 1 + Haste Rating 2 + ... )/100)/10.52)))

Example: 2.6 / ( (1+(10%/100)) *(1+(30%/100)) * (1+20%/100)) * (1+(((105.2)/100)/10.52)))
2.6 / ((1.1*1.3*1.2) * 1.1) = 2.6 / 1,8876 = 1,377 sec, attack speed.

For the full article go to the link below:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Haste

Comment by 11168

This gem procs for me for about 1-2% but when i get the buff, it only lasts for 4 seconds on my screen..

I checked my character pane to see if my attack speed just incase there might be an error with my UI and I confirmed that the buff only lasts 4 seconds for me... is there something wrong?

Comment by 94260

I just socketed TFD into my meta gem socket... thing is ... Yes i got the haste buff and all ... but it isnt 10 seconds yet?

When will Blizzard buff this diamond? from 6 secs to 10 secs is a major buff for this diamond on Combat rogues. it acts like a mini dragonspine trophy and further enchances it if you got one

Comment by 50975

Can anyone confirm if this procs off of ranged attacks? I could do some serious DPS being BM with 2.8 speed steelhawk crossbow + abacus of violent odds + rapid fire + dragonspine trophy, makes me giddy.

Comment by weyland

This item has a hidden cooldown of 40 seconds.

Comment by Eragor

People and this meta socket stake with enchanting moongos?

Comment by marikris

For druids, Relentless Earthstorm still beats this because OOC is a PPM proc and doesn't benefit from haste.

The only attacks that benefit from haste are white attacks and 2pc T4 proc.

Comment by 42800

I think this gem might be better for haste-geared (bs mace, dragonspine trophy etc similiar proccable haste) than Relentless Earthstorm Diamond, since more haste => more hits => more chances to proc haste and energy.
Assuming that this gem has a hidden cooldown of 40seconds as weyland suggested, I might be totally wrong.

Comment by 5612

Does anyone know if this can proc off of windfury attacks?

Comment by iamjoe

Wowhead tooltip incorrectly shows this gem requires two of each gem color to be active, when it only needs one gem of each color.

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Thundering Skyfire Diamond

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