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Comment by Corneto

That item only is a good reason to ditch a profession for alchemy. Incredibly good, specially for druid, paladin, shaman (hybrid) classes which use all the stats.

Comment by Archangel

Absolutely! A Super Healing Potion would then restore 2100-3500 hp. This item is a must for people that consume lots of potions =)
It seems it also functions as a Philosopher's Stone as well, meaning you can perform Transmutations without the original stone used to make it =)

~Archangel

Comment by Liandra

This item in its current form is so ridiculously overpowered that it is both silly and a must-have for all raiding healers.

A Super Mana Potion restores, on average, 2400 mana, on a cooldown of 2 minutes. This is an equivalent of 100 mana per 5 seconds (!!). Just by chain-drinking Super Mana Potions, you improve yourself by more than an entire tier of gear.

This trinket adds another 40 mana per 5 seconds. That is 140 mana per 5 seconds per Super Mana Potion.

So, when Blizzard designs a level 70 raid instance, they can either tune it for no consumables (and have every boss brute forced by completely buffed raids), or they can tune it for full consumables. Voila, there you go, another Naxxramas-like grind fest.

Items like this will either make raid instances too easy, or impossible without full consumable buffs.

Comment by chonchu

You need Revered with "The Sha'tar" for the recipe.

Comment by 10517

The funny thing acutally is, that with my current spec I get a +20% healing bonus from all sources (pots, bandages, etc). And guess what, it stacks the +40% from this trinket :)

This means my "average" Super Healing Potion, will heal for about 3k2 :)

Comment by Benegesserit

Will it be possible for a mage to go invisible, swap to this trinket, drink a pot, then swap to another trinket before the server decides to take you out of invis for drinking? (since apparently it's "hostile"...lol)

Comment by mrgamer

List of materials required:

3x Deep Peridot
3x Shadow Draenite
3x Golden Draenite
3x Blood Garnet
3x Flame Spessarite
3x Azure Moonstone
2x Fel Lotus
7x Primal Earth
7x Primal Water
7x Primal Air
7x Primal Fire
5x Primal Mana

216 hours worth of cooldowns = 9 days.

Comment by Dandelion

Although it doesn't say so anywhere, this item indeed enable transmutation, effectively taking the place of your philosopher's stone.

Comment by 23768

Would anyone happen to know if it stacks with either the Talisman of the Alliance or Horde?

Comment by A1win

"Equip: Increases the effect that healing and mana potions have on the wearer by 40%." This also seems to affect Warlocks' Healthstones, and probably Mages' Mana Rubies aswell. My Master Healthstone normally heals for 2496 damage, but yesterday it critted and healed me for 6604 while I was wearing Alchemist's Stone.

Comment by 25617

Can someone confirm if it works with potion injectors that engeneers make ?

Comment by 1841

This trinket and Potion Mastery seem like a great combo.

Comment by 25685

This took two days of grinding for the primals and I already had the fel lotus from herbalism and most of the jewels from random drops. I needed to buy 4 gems and I had all the mats. The worst part of making this is the cooldown on the transmutes. Each diamond has a 48 hour cooldown and the Primal Mights have a 24 hour cooldown. It's hard to find alchemists who aren't on cooldown from a transmute of some kind. Fortunately I found a couple and I will make this later today after the server comes back up and I can transmute my last might!

I'm one happy druid...

With the latest patch they have "fixed" this item so that it will no longer work with healthstones, mana rubies and the like. It should now only work with potions.

Comment by 3405

PTR 2.0.10 patch notes as of Feb 27:
"Alchemist's Stone" will no longer increase healing and mana gained from items which are not potions.

Comment by 18972

Anyone test this on a fel mana potion....that would be a guaranteed 4200 mana if it worked.

Comment by binkenstein

Also, you need an Alchemy Lab to create this.

Two can be found in Shattrah on the lower level of the tower where the Alchemy trainer is.

Comment by JediMaster14

If you're an alchemist, I highly recommend getting this. With the stats on it and with the healing bonus, I always try to have this equipped during boss fights where some serious damage is dealt to ranged DPS (i.e. the Maiden of Virtue). Of course, having a stack of healing and/or mana potions on you is obvious at this point.

It's also nice so that now that you're carrying around this thing in your inventory instead of it being in your bank, doing transmutes for yourself or others becomes less of a hassle.

Completely worth the small amount of time and money spent getting this.

Comment by 13098

Does this work with Super Rejuvination Potions as well?

Comment by 7599

The profession patch notes for 2.1 have just been announced (in the profession forum. One point in the notes says:

The "Alchemist's Stone" bonus now works on potions that restore both health and mana.

So rejuvination potions are not affected now, but will be once 2.1 hits the live servers.

Comment by Ishtar

They need class specific trinkets, not all alchemists are hybrids.

I would hoped since alchemist got nerfed hard in 2.1 that we may get some.

Comment by 44671

If you currently have this item and then drop alchemist, can you still use this item and get the 40% potion bonus?

Comment by carti

A Fel Mana Potion would restore 4480 Mana :-)

Comment by a1strank

This also works on Health Stones or no?

Comment by Gutts

does the effect stack with the warlocks spell Fel Armor which grants them 20% healing effect?

my warlocks benefits 4000HP from using Superior Healing potion which only heals for 2800 maximum.

so if this stack with Fel Armoe I think i will be seeing 6000HP gain from using Healthstone or a pot?

Comment by 8356

I disagree. For the non-engineering tanking Warrior who is beyond 490 Def, this stone is extremely helpful just for stats. It is rated at 1322 Tank Points. The +15 Str, Agil, Stam gives 150 HPS, 30 Armor, 30 AP, .60% Crit, .55% dodge, and 1 block value. Add in the "OMG I have to drink a pot cause my healers are LOM", +40% health factor, its a win/win for tanking warriors.

Comment by Alaha

Can anybody confirm weather or not this effects fel mana potions at all, or if it will effect them? :)

Comment by 55331

nice stone, to bad its only for mana/hp pots... would pwn on a warlock if it did for heals in general :)

Comment by 31280

over all its a must for cloth users such as warlocks or mages who have problems in pvp extreamly use full when u are nearly dead

Comment by HappyEnd

Extremely useful with Fel Mana pots 4480 mana guaranteed per pot, debuff is silly for most priests with 1700+ unbuffed healing bonus

Comment by Ravedruid

Not to needlessly clutter the site with "insert class" comments but I am really sort of surprised by the lack of the
'perphrial' benefits of this item. I say perphrial only because the overall focus of 24+ comments on this trinket are on the equip bonus to healing and mana restoring potions.

In truth if you break it down into points this really is extremely well balanced for a melee-oriented paladin or shaman. It certainly would be wonderful for a druid as well since they are the only other class that would 'use' all the stats provided but I list druids below the other two simply for the fact you would only be making use of several of the stats at a given time and not all of them at the same time due to forms.

As Pyrous stated: "The +15 Str, Agil, Stam gives 150 HPS, 30 Armor, 30 AP, .60% Crit, .55% dodge, and 1 block value"

So without cramming to much math into this lets just take:

Hourglass of the Unraveller
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 68
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 32.
Equip: Chance on critical hit to increase your attack power by 300 for 10 secs.

and

Abacus of Violent Odds
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 64.
Use: Increases haste rating by 260 for 10 sec.

as sort of the baseline for equip: stats.

32 crit rating gives 1.45% chance to crit so that is the maximum amount of passive crit rating for an item of that item level.

64 AP equates to 32 Str and is also the maximum amount of passive AP for an item of that level (this is just a scenario for perspective in terms of max. per item level btw)

This trinket gives .6% to crit which is 41.4% of the crit the hourglass gives, say an even 40% for simplicity.

This trinket gives 30 AP which is 46.8% of the AP given by the abacus, say an even 45%.

So with those two stats alone it would be combined only 15% behind; but it gives 15 stam as well (40% compared to the Argussian Compass); 15 int. (~35% of the Pendant of the Violet Eye); the half point of dodge that is about 25% of moroes' pocket watch; and 15 spirit which if you were really bored you could compare to the bangle of endless blessings somehow or another.

So by these very very rough numbers of trinkets either from full lvl 70 dungeons and kara you could say that for passive buffs it provides an additional 85% bonus overall than trinkets equally untainable and a few that require a 10 man raid.

The equip has been mapped out left to right, bottom to top so I won't get into that, and while it doesn't directly boost your DPS you could look at it as increasing your ability to sustain DPS if some of that is derivied from spending mana or you know, not being dead.

Of course, a lot of people like to specialize... to have that big crit rating or AP surplus and in situations most will specialize as dictated by circumstance but if you are like me and you spread your stats out throughout your gear, sockets and etc then this really is an excellent DMG trinket as well.

So love and embrace the equip but don't let yourself slip into thinking that this or that trinket would be better for DPS when there is a very good chance it actually wouldn't be in the long run.

That and it is epic, made by me, and a reason to keep alchemy other than the 'well I do have a hundred grey recipes I collected over the last couple years' train of thought I had before I made mine.

Comment by 18710

Can anyone tell me if this works with Engineering Injectors?

Comment by 75014

I have a couple of questions around this trinket... but first i need to explain my situation..

Here's me:P
http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Al'Akir&n=Titanium

I am as you can see... wearing this trinket.. made it during leveling and that was truely nice back there. Anyhow that's not the crucial point.

The point is that i'm very much into pvp... and even more into arenas. I'd be very very fond of having highrating teams... but i guess it takes a while...

All highrating teams are telling me resilience is the key to victory (god bless good contacts)

My experiences with this trinket is pro... I'm feraldruid and it certainly gives hell of a lot stats...

51 attackpower ( counted in cat cause that's where i mostly is)
1% dogde
around a half crit % (dunno the numbers exactly)
~160health ( Tauren racial)
180 Mana ( Heart of the wild)
15 spirit ( don't know the numbers at all but kinda pointless stats anyway)
And with my nurturing instincs it also gives +7.5healing (50% of str)

ANd then the 40% from pots... i can't say i use pots that much.. Because items are not allowed to be used in forms.
But it happends.

ANyhow... now to the REAL question... This trinket (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24551) The talisman of the horde
Question : Shall i swap the Alchemist's stone for the talisman of the horde?
There's no talk about using them both... Medallion of the horde will always have one spot... and the other one is between these ones.
34 resilience...? and resilience was the key to win arena-games... And then another healing... and this one useable IN FORMS... so no shapeshifting for using it...

Been speaking to druids about this one... and ppl with it tells me that their survivability is greatly raised after equipping this one.

So? is the major loss of healtH/ap/crit/dogde/mana/spellcrit/regain etc worth it compared to the 34 resilience and the healing-capability?

Comment by Kaitain

That's a lot of theorycrafting to prove that this epic trinkets is better than a blue one.

Yes the stats are nice and well rounded, but if you compare it to other <epic> trinkets, and think that you only have 2 trinket slots (effectively 1 in PvP), then it's not hard to find trinkets that outweigh the stats on this one. So the make-or-break for this trinket comes right back to the "Equip:". If in your playstyle you use a lot of health or mana potions then it's fantastic. If not, then it's not. It's not complicated.

Comment by 25099

Absolutely the #1 healing trinket for Priests... its all about the Equip bonus. The stats are just icing. Of course its good for any healer, but Priests in particular as our mana efficiency is lower than other healers, and our only mana-regen (Shadowfiend) is targeted and unreliable (killed, miss, resist, just sits there, etc). A super-mana pot with this is great, and a Fel-mana is amazing.

If you chugged a super-mana every time the cooldown was up, and were very unlucky and got only the minimum amount back each time (1800+40%), this trinket gives you 105 mp5. If you're rich and do this with Fel Manas, its 187 mp5.

If your a healer, and an alchemist, this thing is worth every second of effort to get it.

Comment by Dale

does alchemist stone work for mages? for mages mana gems?

Comment by 13228

anyone know if this works with mana or health pot injector?

Comment by 13847

And now with Mad Alchemist's Potion this becomes even more usefull

Comment by 80922

I think it is indeed verry usefull for classes that use potions a lot like Kaitain said and good for hybrids that use most of the stats as Corneto said. But its rather useless for some classes i think. For instance less mana dependent classes (like hunter, warlock, rogue, dps war) wont benifit that much from the 40% extra and this cant be used in arena ofcourse. And considering the stats if youre class only needs a few of the base stats (like a lock only needs int/sta or in pve not even that much sta), this trinket is not that good.
example:
For a lock only sta and int can be usefull (pve or pvp) so you get +30 stats considering having life trap and siphon life as afli lock or soul leach as destro (in most cases) pots wont get used that much. Making this trinket worse then some blues:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32864
(+45 sta and a guardian)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29179
(+32 spelcrit and increased dmg/healing when used)

Long storry short it is a nice trinket for some classes/ talents but defnetly not for all classes.

Comment by 113499

Is this worth it for a hunter to make? Please let me know before I drop the mats into it. Thanks!

Comment by haloman800

Im not sure if its just some kind of gear or spec i have but i have confirmed that a 2496 healthstone now heals 3145.... it might be new with 2.3 but it makes this trinket another reason for every class to have it... especialy locks :)

Comment by 70009

For tanking druids, this is a hair over 1% dodge and 210 hp. That alone makes it a fair tanking trinket, but the really crazy part is the way it affects potions that are taken in Bear Form.

For anyone unfamiliar with the recent change in the mechanics of using potions in Bear Form, it involves a macro along the lines of:

/use Super Healing Potion
/cast Dire Bear Form

This allows Bears to shift to caster, use the potion, and shift back into bear with a single click, and as long as they are not in the GCD, there's no chance of being hit mid shift. Because you retain the same percentage of your life when shifting from Bear to Caster and back again, potions end up restoring more HP than they say.

Assuming for a moment that you've got about 12.6k life in Caster form and about 17k in Bear (reasonable for tanking in SSC/TK), you'll get around a 35% increase in raw health gained from potions you take since they will restore hp in caster and your hp percentage stays the same when you shift back into bear while your max hp goes up. This percentage increases slightly as your max hp rises. The effect works for all hp recovering items such as health stones.

Because of this mechanic, any healing potions taken with the stone on will heal for around 82% more than their listed value since the increases will be multiplicative. That means a Super Healing Potion will restore between 2730 and 4550 life. For a tank in danger, that can be truly amazing, especially if followed by a health stone.

Comment by 125774

As a balance druid i find this trinket very useful.
I glanced over the above text and didn.t notice the crit heal mentioned.

"your mad alchemist potion critically heals you for 5.200" is smth i get often.

Comment by haloman800

with fel armor alchemist's stone and mad alchemist pot "your mad alchemist's potion criticaly heals you for 7210

Comment by hlcws

Pretty good on Paladin if you use Mad Alchemist's Potion, because Spiritual Attunement gives you 10% of the life healed back as mana. Very useful in AE encounters like Illidari Council.

Comment by 127693

In 2.4 it will be possible to modify your Alchemist's Stone into something more useful for you.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/alchemystones.jpg

Caster Stone:
+ 54 spell hit rating
+40% pot effects

Healer stone (or alternative caster stone if you want +dam instead):
+ 119 healing (+40 spell dam)
+40% pot effects

Tank stone:
+54 def rating
+40% pot effects

Melee stone:
+54 crit
+40% pot effects

Even though the caster stone don't have +dam it's still SERIOUSLY a lot of +hit leaving a lot of new options for getting better +dam/crit gear. :-)

And btw, +40% pot effects should be roughly +40mp5 when using Super Mana pots.

Comment by 116147

Anyone know where the recipe for these new stones drops/is purchased?

Comment by 95891

New 2.4 Changes to the stones can be found here: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/alchemistone.jpg

Caster DPS Trinket changed to +63 damage and healing instead of +54 spell hit
Melee DPS Trinket changed to +108 AP instead of +54 crit

"Plans to create Alchemist Stones have been added to the Shattered Sun Quartermaster, you can now buy them once you reach exalted with the faction."

Comment by marcimi

With Patch 2.4 "Fury of the sunwell" you can upgrade your Alchemist's Stone to one of the following new Stones:

Same fact's about the stone's:

You need to be exalted with the Shattered Sun Offensive to purshase the receipes.
Each receipe cost 20 gold (Exalted). This makes 80 gold for all 4 receipes.
All 4 Stones are bind on pickup. You never need the posibility to create all 4 stones. So save your money and only by the receipes you really need.
You should speak with Eldara Dawnrunner <Shattered Sun Quartermaster> once you hit exalted with the Shattered Sun Offensive.
Two Nether Vortex are requiered to upgrade your Stone to the one of the new one. They drop of from Trash Mobs in Serpentshrine Cavern and The Eye
Along with the 2 vortex you need 6 elemental primals. The type of the primal depends on the stone:

Assassin's Alchemist Stone: Primal Shadow
Guardian's Alchemist Stone: Primal Air
Redeemer's Alchemist Stone: Primal Life
Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone: Primal Fire

The effect does not stack with other similar effects.

Comment by 53307

2.4
"This effect does not stack." is added.
guess something like "fel armor" would not boost the effect.

Comment by TheRealAzoth

Can anyone confirm if a new Alchemist's Stone can be created after using one to craft one on the new upgraded version such as the Guardian's Alchemist Stone?

Comment by 10128

Essentially this item was extraordinary when people were beggining to reach level 70 and were drooling over the blue class sets from normal instances. 15 to all stats was pretty huge.

But today of course, everybody is loaded with the free epics that blizzard have been giving away. Because of this, many of the profession-specific crafts are sub-par or quickly replaced. The Weapons from Blacksmithing for example, or the Armor crafted by leatherworkers.

In order to boos the value of professions, Blizzard have thus modified a few things. Drums for leatherworkers, new trinkets for jewelcrafters, new goggles for engineers, ...

And of course, new Stones for alchemists who were starting to wonder whether it was worth it to wear the old stone. Now of course, any mana-intensive class will be very glad to use one of the 4 new stones over the old one.

Comment by Cobra

Ok, I have gathered all the mats in 7 days, hard core farming and stuff.......at the end i realized "Man! I'm not reveared with the he Sha'tar!" /facepalm

Comment by Therulnig

The problem with this (and Potting in general) as a Feral druid is Potting still has risk too it.

If you click the macro inside a GCD it leaves you in Caster Form...If you Lag you can left in caster form...If the mob happens to stun you as you hit the macro...You are left in caster form, if the game registers you being hit during the switch (it appears instant but is not server side)...then you will likely die from the hit...

And so on. Potting has saved my life but also killed me an equal number of times.

One day Blizzard will give up the silly "cant pot in feral forms" crap..Non-feral forms can already pot. I have hope for WOTLK since theres talk of removing the ridiculous "must be outside" requirements off our snares, and the minute cooldown off our AOE attack.

But thats really a ranting tangent...This stone is the reason my Pally is alchemist.

Comment by Ingolfur

I was going to pimp my warrior with it, so I go and get my alchemy to 365 when he reached 50, and then I think "Where do I get that recipe?" So I went here and checked. And it requires "Revered" status with The Sha'tar, imagine my surprise.

Comment by 175954

The stone now only requires level 200 alchemy with the new patch

Comment by Therulnig

With the recent inflation on most servers, this has gotten much more expensive.

On my server:
Earthstorm: ~200g
Skyfire: ~250g
Fel Lotus: ~60g ea (120g total)
Primal might: ~200g ea (1,000g total)
+Mats for Redeemer:
Nether Vortex: ~300g ea (600g total)
Primal Life: ~30g ea (180g total)

Which means if you AH'ed all the mats for this + improved version on my server you'd pay just under 2,400g for this awesome trinket.

Comment by 164448

I ve got a question. Alchemist stone is unique so you cannot wear 2 of them, but is possible to wear alchemist stone together with some modified version? (asassin's,guardian's,sorcerer's or redeemer's alchemist stone)

Comment by 283062

The 15 Ring xDD

Comment by 482284

Requires level 50.

Unobtainable until level 50 (minimum), because there is a level 50 requirement to learn 375-skill alchemy. http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28596

So, level 39 twinks cannot use this item.

Comment by 392099

Only this trinket AND the require an Alchemy Lab. If you cannot find one, No you are Not stupid, there simply aren't that many of them out there. ^^ Shattrah is your best option.

Comment by 524313

Question :

In the description it says : This does not stack ? ( with the same trinket ? )

Can you have Both Alchemist's Stone & Guardian's Alchemist Stone trinkets equipped and benefit from 80% healing effect ?

Comment by amberlink

So it says the effect doesn't stack....but will it stack with a non similar effect? Like one that just increases healing on you in general or such?

Comment by mariakas

Does it have level requirements?

Comment by Zoeteklem

*Updated for 6.1* - Philosopher's and Alchemist's Stones over the years

Vanilla	BC	Wrath	Cata	MoP	WoD
Philosopher's Stone	Alchemist Stone Assassin's Alchemist Stone Guardian's Alchemist Stone Redeemer's Alchemist Stone Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone	Indestructible Alchemist Stone Mercurial Alchemist Stone Mighty Alchemist Stone	Lifebound Alchemist Stone Quicksilver Alchemist Stone Vibrant Alchemist Stone Volatile Alchemist Stone	Zen Alchemist Stone	Draenic Philosopher's Stone -New for 6.1- Stone of Wind Stone of the Earth Stone of the Waters Stone of Fire

Remember, you need one of these to be either equipped or in your bag to do transmutations. Enjoy!

Comment by krikcrack

if you are an engineer, the effect does stack if you are using a Healing Potion Injector Mana Potion Injector

Comment by KyrosKrane

For anyone looking to craft this recently, the Alchemy Lab you need is in Shattrath at the lower city area with the Arakkoa, at loc 43.4, 19.3, on the lower of the two elevated platforms.
/way #111 43.4, 19.3 Alchemy Lab

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Alchemist Stone

Item Level 30
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped

Trinket

+1 Strength
+1 Agility
+1 Intellect
+1 Stamina
+2 Versatility

Equip: Increases the effect that healing and mana potions have on the wearer by 40%. This effect does not stack.
Requires Outland Alchemy (50)
"Can be used for transmutations in place of a Philosopher's Stone."

Sell Price: 2 50

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