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DK tank suggestion (yes another one)
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Thror
Some sweet suggestion bro.
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Post by
Aleanos
Try to use Wowhead's talent calculator next time, I find it much nicer and you can include glyph choices aswell :)
Now about your build:
3/3 SoB, 2/3 is enough, 3/3 is overkill
Rune tap, either max it out or skip it, 1/1 is not worth spending a Blood rune.
Vendetta, it's an awful talent (and odds are you wont be getting any killing blows). No build should ever include it.
Spell deflection, it's a situational talent, against spell casters it's ok but I wouldn't include it in an all purpose blood build.
Improved blood presence, if you're capable of doing 2-2.5k dps then this talents gives you ~80-100 hps. It's deemed as extremely minor for tanks and should be avoided.
Bloodworms, there's so many factor speaking against BW for pve and they dont really provide much healing/threat. Skip it.
Runic power mastery, it does close to nothing for you, if you need it to avoid capping with RP then you need to use RS more.
Outbreak, 30% more damage to PS is very minor, if you're using GoD it's ~worthless. You're most likely better off with Rav. dead or Necrosis.
On a Pale Horse, it's a leveling/pvp talent, exclude it from tanking builds.
You've also skipped Bladed armor >_> it's one of the better talents for tanks.
I'd also like to advice against going for a blood/UB build, you'll miss out on some key talents in blood for some extra aoe tps (which isn't really needed if you're using BB diligently). You may be better off with a deep blood build.
But if you really want UB I guess something like this would be better:
45/5/21
But I really recommend
This
If you like spell deflection, otherwise you can spend those points in mark of blood/epidemic (or just shift 2 pts from SoB to Epidemic)
Alternatively you can also shift some points around from AM and Hyst to get RT+ IRT, blood tanking builds differ alot depending on your preference/purpose, the build I linked is but one of many. I can only tell you which talents to avoid :>
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Post by
karlusdavius
spirit tap stil requires killing blow. Any tooltip that stats the same as vendetta requires that you yourself gain the killing blow.
Post by
Aris
Threat gen is going to suck with that spec.
I love how kiddies slap the 5/5/5 rule onto any random spec they make, and call it a tank spec. Why are we even talking about this so much? There are so many things wrong with this spec it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
Post by
Afoxi
Threat gen is going to suck with that spec.
I love how kiddies slap the 5/5/5 rule onto any random spec they make, and call it a tank spec. Why are we even talking about this so much? There are so many things wrong with this spec it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
It's an unusual and suboptimal spec but by no means horrible.
First thing I have to say is to get rid of Blood Worms, they're more trouble than they're worth.
Post by
svl007
Threat gen is going to suck with that spec.
I love how kiddies slap the 5/5/5 rule onto any random spec they make, and call it a tank spec. Why are we even talking about this so much? There are so many things wrong with this spec it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
It's an unusual and suboptimal spec but by no means horrible.
First thing I have to say is to get rid of Blood Worms, they're more trouble than they're worth.
this build isn't even suboptimal, it is badly thought through. a good filled out blood/ub is a suboptimal build, a badly filled out blood/ub build is bad build.
Post by
pmpage
I use
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jbEMqc0IscMbosZ0xZfgGh00z
as my blood tanking spec, but can definately agree that it's sub-optimal for threat generation as it relies almost entirely on Rune Strike and Death & Decay to get up a lead.
My main reason for sticking with it is I haven't found a decent replacement spec that can survive as much damage as my blood one. The constant top ups of health from the various self heals (Imp. Blood Presence, Bloodworms, Death Strike and Rune Tap, plus the bonus healing when Vampiric Blood is up, plus the ghoul sacrifice in an emergancy) means that I'm one of the most self sufficiant tanks in the guild.
Ultimately, this makes me a specialist off tank, I get stuck with holding the adds in the various boss fights like Grand Widow, Iron Council, or at the back in the 4 Horsemen.
Post by
asakawa
problem is, self sufficiency isn't actually very useful. you can't OT council or 4H without a healer (i mention those 2 because you probably could survive tanking faerlina's adds without a healer as they're so weak ^^) so the aim should be to be easy to heal not to be self sufficient.
now of course there is some crossover, doing some self healing is certainly one way to make yourself easy to heal but is it the best way? would it be better to have 3% more avoidance and 2% more mitigation from frost?
aside from that question, your build is really quite bad.
subversion is good. dark conviction is poor.
abom's might is good (+str), bloody vengeance is poor.
bloodworms and iBP are poor.
bloodgorged is very good.
vicious strikes, unholy command and virulence are all poor choices.
UB just isn't good enough for all those wasted points.
improved icy touch is great for any tank build.
Post by
Aleanos
I personally value Dark conviction above subversion, 5% critt overall is much better than 9% only to HS, besides I simply find Bloody vengeance a too good tps increasing talent to pass up on.
Unbuffed BV may not have a 100% uptime if you're not that well geared, but at higher gear levels and with raid buffs (not to mention RS glyph) you should have no problems maintaining a 100% 3 stack uptime of BV.
Other than that I agree with everything you've said asakawa :)
Post by
asakawa
well, 9% for 3 points or 5% for 5. basically i'd say that subversion is a talent that should be in there while conviction(and BV) is much more optional. i'd actually drop butchery to free up a couple of points for subversion.
there are beats along the blood tree that you have to hit and quite a few points that are great options but definitely filler. conviction, for me, is that.
as such the build i'm thinking of is something like
50/8/13
i'm not a big fan of rune tap myself and would probably drop those points for TPS talents (like BV) but if a rune tap build is what you want then...
Post by
Aleanos
You'd pick Rav. dead over DC + BV? I think maxing DC and getting BV should give you higher tps that Rav. dead.
In that build you're also loosing out on one of the few tanking talents blood has, Will of the necropolis. That's the thing about blood, you can't get all the goodies you're gonna have to give some up. Subversion becomes a needed sacrifice sadly in my eyes :(
But blood tanking specs are very hard to grasp, there's tons of different versions of them, each for their own personal preference and purpose.
Post by
asakawa
definitely. i had really hoped to make a good blood tank spec for single targets (bosses) and dual spec two tanking builds but found it very difficult to make a build that felt like a good balance between mitigation and TPS.
in the end i found frost better in both single target and AoE situations and the balance between tank and threat talents to be much better.
the strength from ravenous dead dips into both sides (gives parry and threat) though, i admit, it's not a very inspiring talent. WotN is the source of a lot of debate, it's great for the top content where big hits that take you down to low health are common (S3D and lots of ulduar) but a naxx tank is unlikely to get much mileage from it.
as you say, blood is far more subjective than other tank builds and could be endlessly debated. as the debate gets deeper i move further out of my comfort zone since i've never used a blood tank that i've been entirely happy with and have never found anything that it provides that isn't easier and better in frost.
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