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Post by
tomgc
Lava Burst on MW would be absolutely ridiculous. Enhance would end up wanting SP-heavy gear over their surrent choices.
Post by
Novak
Lava Burst ... LB ... lightning bolt
Uh oh.
But yeah, it would be pretty OP. It would be interesting to see it work with MW, would make our priority system different, mixing Flame Shocks in there.
Post by
Skimbo
I remember reading that LvB was going to work with MW. I even saw clips on youtube of it working in the beta tests for WotLK.
So i respecced from resto to enh. Spent a shed load of gold on enh gear/glyphs. Skipped outside ready to lay down some serious burst dmg....and nearly cried when i found out it had been scrapped!
What a donut -.-
Post by
tomgc
In beta MW did work with LvB. It also had a 100% proc chance per hit at 5 talent points.
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Post by
windstrum
Lavaburst was removed from maelstrom weapon in beta because it was simply giving enh shaman too much DPS, and put a huge focus on wearing elemental gear.
Forgive my ignorance, but how is that different to now? Doesn't elemental gear boost Lightning Bolt just as much as Lava Burst? Wearing elemental gear
now
has some crazy effects on enhancement DPS, so what would be so strikingly different about adding LvB to MSW?
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Post by
66520
Lava Burst wasn't removed from Maelstrom over problems with how much damage it was dealing. It was removed because a guaranteed crit-on-a-cooldown simply had too much synergy for Enhancement.
Post by
Achloryn
Is it too much to ask that Lava Burst work with Maelstrom Weapon? LB already has a resonable CD so we can't just spam it nonstop, and it would give us better burst DPS over lightning bolt. I find it hard to believe it would be an OP ability considering the state of Pallys and DKs.
as far as endgame pve goes, ret pallys are nowhere near as OP as they used to be.. Out of the last IDK how many raids i've been in, i have yet to see a ret pally in top 5 damage. DKs are the same way, only there may be an occasional odd DK who is exceptionally well geared and just picking up badges for offspec gear... but in general, they aren't anywhere near as retardedly strong as they used to be.
in PvP however...............................
Post by
eikyu
Lava Burst wasn't removed from Maelstrom over problems with how much damage it was dealing. It was removed because a guaranteed crit-on-a-cooldown simply had too much synergy for Enhancement.
The Synergy was why they created LvB, it was a pure Enhancement skill at first, but the said Synergy resulted in way too much dps. At that point they took it out of Maelstrom and created the skills for Flameshock in the Elemental tree, so at least Elementals could use it.
If I remember correctly it was Ghostcrawler stating on the beta forums back then that they are taking LvB out of Maelstrom due to too much damage, add to that that our dps jumped way up with caster gear at that time and a definite crit scales amizangly with spellpower, after the took out LvB out of Maelstrom they also changed the SS charges back to only have an effect on nature spells.
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windstrum
The question becomes at what point does the gain of spell power outwiegh the loss of melee crit and some attack power on your melee? Are you basically saying that int trumps agi for stats? You still have to make hit for spells so need for hit is still the same regardless of how you gear as enhance. Granted ele gear tends to have more haste and crit and of course has direct sp which enhance gear does not. You would still be losing attack power to assigned spell power points on the gear and only gaining increased spell damage.
There's a few things you're wrong about. Firstly, elemental shamans don't stack intellect, its not an important stat for an ele shaman. Secondly, there is no distinction between melee and spell crit on gear, except when you're talking about agility. Thirdly, both enhancement AND elemental shamans are advised to reach the spell hit cap to maximise DPS. Elemental gear stats aren't as different from an enhancement shaman as you might think.
I'd also like to add that a ridiculous amount of damage for an enhancement shaman comes from spell damage: earth shock and lightning bolt. You'd be surprised how much of your net damage comes from these two spells.
Edit: As an experiment, I urge you to get the stat weights for an enhancement shaman from elitist jerks, plug them into an addon called Pawn, and start weighing up elemental gear in-game. You'd be surprised how much of your gear could be replaced by elemental gear.
Remember, LavaBurst has not only
Concussion
to boost its damage, but also
Call of Flame
easily accessible to enhancement shaman. Top that with 100% guaranteed crit and I don't think it should be too hard to see what was so different.
OK, I forgot about one "small" aspect. Stormstrike, for a little while, buffed fire damage as well (yet another change to try and force enh shaman in to melee gear by reducing lavaburst damage). The removal of the fire buffing aspect was done prior to the removal of lavaburst from Maelstrom. After the change to make stormstrike nature only the huge lavaburst advantage was made quite a bit smaller.
The 100% crit chance is nice, and I can see the benefits there. But Stormstrike - the enhancement shaman staple - boosts nature damage done to the target, which affects earth shock and lightning bolt. Using flame shock instead and sacrificing the nature damage to produce the lava burst crit seems kind of, well, balanced. But, I guess the PTR numbers showed otherwise.
Post by
eikyu
I'd also like to add that a ridiculous amount of damage for an enhancement shaman comes from spell damage: earth shock and lightning bolt. You'd be surprised how much of your net damage comes from these two spells.
You forgot Flametongue Weapon on OH (if you're using it, but at level 80 every Enhancement Shaman should use it once getting decent gear and probably even before), Lava Lash (it follows melee rules, so can be parried and dodged, but the damage it does is still fire damage) and Lightning Shield.
Enhancement Shaman are melee magic users (that's the actual reason I started one), before WotLK most of our damage was too focussed on physical damage, I love the changes they did for WotLK now we really are melee magic users, and very unique in that way, the balance is now where it should be, that spellpower gear isn't bad for us is a nice side effect (and makes a great ground for wide experiments) as long as blizzards keeps making melee gear the better choice for us.
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