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Skyfire
I want to feel like I really love someone, and believe it; not think of it as a surge of hormones and my need to reproduce.
Which is why the inferior species don't have emotion. They can't think.
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Haxzor
I know what you're talking bout ivokk, but are animals capable of that kind of thinking?
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For the first year after its birth, a chimpanzee's brain develops faster than a human child's. Would you say that for its first year after birth, a human child is incapable of any love or affection, simply because a grown chimpanzee doesn't have the mental capability to love? And even if it were true, would you want to believe that?
Yes and yes.
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Skyfire
You sir, are horrible. I can't fathom how cold this world has become since the advent of science. We've lost so much.
Experience creates true emotion. A chimpanzee, much less an infant,
has not had
enough experience for us to say that it feels true emotion.
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Skyfire
I hope you live happily telling your wife that you will be home for dinner because it is instinct to go where there is food, and that you will be happy to provide offspring to fill her essential instinct to reproduce, and that every kiss and every moment you felt the remotest attraction was only a game played by millions of years of evolution to ensure the prolonged existence of the species.
Yes, I'm sure she will love that.
LOL. I've yet to use the word "instinct"! Don't put words in my mouth which I did or will not say.
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Laihendi
I want to feel like I really love someone, and believe it; not think of it as a surge of hormones and my need to reproduce.
Which is why the inferior species don't have emotion. They can't think.Is this more of that sarcasm that people like to use so much here?
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Skyfire
Is this more of that sarcasm that people like to use so much here?
No. It is the exact crux of the case you are trying to make. Calling fear
fear
(as an emotion and not as instinct) necessarily requires that you can think you are afraid, and you have had experience of fear before, also knowing then it was fear. This requires that you can think.
We can say quite easily that for the majority of animals, this is not the case. Animals do not consider consequences; it is simply a case of "if case A, I should do B", rather than the human "if case A, I should do B, but would about case D which happens because of doing B? What about case C instead of case A?"
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Laihendi never said anything about fear. Try again. And it's quite arrogant for you to consider other animals to be "lesser beings". What makes a human a "greater being"? You may think that it's because humans don't concern themselves with the issues of animals, but do you think animals in general care about what humans have done?
All the accomplishments of humans are only important to humans. Nothing and no one else cares. Just like humans don't care about anything that animals do. You're not better than them, you just don't care about them.
Also, there have been several cases where particularly intelligent
gorillas
have been taught basic sign language.
Here
is one of them. So if it can express happiness, sadness, anger, and it can even use language to communicate with humans, how is it a "lesser being" that is incapable of emotion?
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Laihendi never said anything about fear. Try again.It was an example, which you should have recognized it as. Use any emotion in place of it. Do try again!
And it's quite arrogant for you to consider other animals to be "lesser beings". What makes a human a "greater being"? You may think that it's because humans don't concern themselves with the issues of animals, but do you think animals in general care about what humans have done?
All the accomplishments of humans are only important to humans. Nothing and no one else cares. Just like humans don't care about anything that animals do. You're not better than them, you just don't care about them.
The irony, yet again, is that animals
can not
care, so your case is moot. This is specifically what I just said.
You (deliberately?) misconstrue me when you say "superior" and "inferior". They are inferior technologically, and rationally. Which I previously said as much.
Also, there have been several cases where particularly intelligent
gorillas
have been taught basic sign language.
Here
is one of them. So if it can express happiness, sadness, anger, and it can even use language to communicate with humans, how is it a "lesser being" that is incapable of emotion?
One: Reread what I said. Two: Stop arguing the specific case and argue the general. When I speak of a specific emotion, I should be construed as speaking about all emotions. Nothing I've yet said, in my mind, is wrong in this case. Where you are wrong is that you are taking the specific case and extending it to the general, which is an easy-to-see logical fallacy. Three: Stop trying to derail the argument by speaking about superiority and inferiority and start trying to answer the arguments I've made.
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