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3.1 Frost 2h DPS, Everything Explained
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Eleazer
Yes I know the above post doesn't belong here, but I felt that it would exemplify the frustration we have with DK's. I do have a question though Lynri, sometimes on fights when I get pulled away or bumped out of range of a fight I lose my rotation from time to time. What is the best way to get back on track?
Typically at that point I get sucked sometimes into FS spamming until my Runes are all back and then start my rotation over again. I figure there is a better way to do it, but I haven't been able to find it yet.
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Lynri, it usually happens at the end of my first rotation the second time through. Fights such as 2 or 3 in Arachnid Quarter where you get stunned or webbed. I get stuck with missing a cooldown or two, and am now at 4-8 seconds left on FF and more Runes than I should have. Do I just start over at that point or complete the rotation where I left off and hope my FF doesn't wear off?
On a bonus note, I got my tier 7.5 shoulders and Led a 25 man Naxx raid pug despite never being to Naxx at all, and getting half a group that had no achievements, just the stats needed. It amazes me that people think it's tougher than Hyjal. Asking for Achievements is ridiculous. My first question when asking for people is what is your hit and expertise at, if they don't know that they can't come lol. Most people who know if they are hit capped or not are smart enough to listen to instructions. Funny part is I died on so many stupid noob deaths during the raid that people found it hilarious.
Plus it was a great run we rolled through every boss in the arachnid, military, and most of construct, with every melee dps cheering because I was frost dps and we had no enhance shaman. On the first multi pull, rogues and warriors were dpsing, and in raid chat they went Sweet Howling Blast Frost DK this is going to be awesome. So not everyone hates us mate, just the uninformed.
I got my tier 7.5 shoulders and a ring from 25 man. Now I have an interesting dilemma. I am way over the hit cap sitting at 11 percent. I have stopped using hit gems, I was going to go away from precision on my gloves, but didn't want to do that until I got better gloves. Finally I was wondering if it's better to go for the chest or gloves via badges. I think the chest would be better as I would get the 2 piece set bonus, and it's harder to replace my chest piece than my gloves. I am going to regem for 16 strength gems anywhere I can. Any recommendations? or should I just stay that high?
Here is my armory
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Eleazer
Post by
rocketw
Here's my suggestions, not for gear but for your hit cap and other issues.
Regem, but you already knew that.
Pick up the helm from OS 10, it has a low drop rate (run it 10+ times, never seen it drop) that will help with dropping some hit. I've had my Heroes gloves since I first did OS 10, and now I'm PuGing EoE and Naxx 25, they are worth it until Val gloves. I picked up Val chest from horsemen, but the chestpiece that drops in Naxx 10 from Noth is almost as good.
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Eleazer
Rocktw,
Thanks for the tips. The Helm is just awesome. I definitely need a weapon upgrade though.I don't have a weapon with hit on it. My weapon has Haste which I would like to drop and bump up some crit, that is more personal preference though. I am just torn between purchasing the gloves or the chest with my Heroism Badges. I am running 10 man Naxx tonight so I guess it depends on what drops. lol.
But you put on enchants that the Agility is the way to go. I guess I could go to Haste, the reason I went for Agility was for the crit possiblity. I had all the clocks on your list but sold them all for the pvp one more AP and crit than the rest could provide even with Kings. I could get the one JC makes, but the upgrade is more of a side step less crit more haste, so it's a toss up.
As for the 16 strength I socket everything 16 strength if it's an epic but I need the two purple gems to activate my Helm's meta. If I go straight 16 regardless I lose the meta ;p, but I think you knew that
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Eleazer
Well, Lynri it looks like with where they are putting the DW that 2h frost maybe dead. I am waiting to see what can happen, but am putting aside some one hand axes just to see what may come of it. I may go to PTR to test out the difference between the two. The problem I forsee is my attempt to roll on epic one handed weapons is being met with disdain already lol.
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d3xx
How is Frost DPS looking compared to blood on the 3.2 PTR?
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Eleazer
Took me 4 and a half hours last night to get the stupid ptr server setup, but I have and will be on there tonight. Samhein is already on there doing some specs on it, and it looks like frost initially is taking a serious beating. Every word I have heard is DW is a good 200-400 dps ahead of 2h for Frost, and that deep frost is really the only DW spec that is viable for good pve DW dps. Samhein has started a thread describing his dps on an elite dummy. I will be on tonight to try it. I think we are going to have to rework some hit rating in. Say I get 17 percent hit My DW might go up, now that FS has the chance to dodge or miss.
I was expecting the difference of dps between DW and 2H it's not drastic but's it's enough where a good player will need to make the switch. It does not look like Unholy will be in any form the DW spec. Having said that without personal experience but from reading others. It seems that Bliz is attempting to force Frost away from the single disease dps that you and I know and love.
The fact that about 75 percent of Frost DK's were going away from using PS at all was something I think Blizz wanted to change. I hate this change because now all cycles will look alike, and one of the main reasons I loved Frost was the High Crits and the fact that the Cycle was so different than the other two specs.
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Eleazer
Lol, Yes, Lynri, that is correct it happened when I moved where the people I fought outweighed the gear I was wearing, at least that was the general consensus, and since replacing the gear, I have seen a sizeable dps increase.
Gerith, it would be nice to see your dps gear. It looks like you are saved in tank gear. VoA is a pain for frost with all the constant movement and the in ability to spend more than 15 seconds on a single target. They move all the time causing chases and dps losses. VoA is brutal on melee. I do 3k in 10/25 man Naxx, 10/25 man OS, and about 2k in EoE - I am always on stupid kill the sparks duty so my dps is awful for the most part there. However when I ran into VoA I was confident I would top the dps charts. Nope, I was pushing 1.9k for most of the instance, and then realized I was in tank spec, so flipped to dps spec, and did a total of 2.2k on the first boss lol. I was so upset, but I ended up with 2.5-2.7k for the rest of the instance, until the last boss where once again constant movement pushed me to about 2k. There are bosses we will struggle against even in Naxx, there is the Plague Quarter Boss you kite around the room or Helgan where our dps will see a loss and our rotation will get bugged up. Helgan always screws me up. My rotation is so off on that one, and yet I still push about 2.8k, I know I could push 3.5 or 4 if I could just stay on his stupid casting butt.
As for gear, I would save the gold and buy Titansteel mace or do what I did and Farm Heroic HoL for the beautiful Axe there.
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Eleazer
Okay, Lynri HB Frost 2h dps remains unchanged in the new patch, but there are alot of wasted points in order to get to Howling Blast. I counted 5 points I had to fill somewhere, and with worse weapons I am doing marginally worse dps in DW. It's annoying, but the dps is equal and less points wasted.
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