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A Question for All of you Climate People (Now about Other Stuff!)
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Post by
Naxxos
I see a lot of religious argument and hardly any climate discussion...even from the OP. Question mark?
Post by
240135
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Post by
Skyfire
I see a lot of religious argument and hardly any climate discussion...even from the OP. Question mark?
That was just asked a page or two ago.
Go read. >:(
Post by
Laihendi
Laihendi asked about the lack of climate discussion back on page 4!
Hey Laihendi's post from earlier on this page got deleted >:-l
Post by
Sagramor
You know, I never really got what the whole God-vipe was all about. Really, I just don't get it. At all.
Buddhism is a nice religion, because there isn't anything like this to worry about. People ask me, "How does your religion explain things?". I tell them, "It explains that people need to be nicer, and that's all I need." No need to back myself up with information from religious text, or quotes from holy men.
The only problem with your argument is that Buddhism isn't a religion.
actually it is, its just a non-theistic one, just like satanism and taoism are
or, they are not religions, they are belief systems which are incompatible with religion and contain mystical/spiritual aspects, basically religions
For something to be a religion it has to worship something. Satanism worships ourselves as Gods, something like that. But that's just according to the dictionary,
Post by
Naxxos
Yeah, and since page 4 it hasn't changed much has it? This is fail.
I'm trying to give it a nudge in the right direction. I'd rather discuss something that is empirically provable.
Post by
L33tsauce
The only problem with your argument is that Buddhism isn't a religion.
I'm very tempted to yell at you right now.
I can't, because my religion tells me not to, but I
reeeeeeeeeeeeeally
want to.
Buddhism is a religion. We just have reverence for a concept, not a being.
Post by
Skyfire
For something to be a religion it has to worship something. Satanism worships ourselves as Gods, something like that. But that's just according to the dictionary,
Did you actually
look it up
? There are multiple dictionaries listed on that page that provide for Buddhism.
Post by
Queggy
For one, don't deflect. I asked for reasoning, not belief. That is some of my reasoning.
For two, I accept them on plausibility. And on the idea that if evolution doesn't exist, then that disproves all of science, because evolution uses the model behind science to prove that it
does
exist.? I never said that because evolution is false all science is false. It's called the
theory
of evolution for a reason. I have never seen or heard of evidence that proves evolution is real. That doesn't mean that other science is false. If I drop an apple then it will fall towards the ground and not up towards the sky.
If evolution doesn't exist, that would mean the computers you and I are communicating with, the Internet we're communicating over, and chemistry are a result of God.How so? If evolution doesn't exist, and humans were created by God and not evolved, we still would have created computers. I think that you think that I think (lol) that evolution at all isn't possible, but I believe in micro-evolution. As we solve easy problems we are naturally going to want to solve harder ones. God made humans separate from all other animals. In fact, although we can be classified as mammals, we are not truly animals.
I'm not buying that. It doesn't concern you that "believing God did everything leaves no questions or holes"? That you are never yourself curious about how stuff works? How toilets work for example. You wouldn't imagine how cool they are. That's a work of God? I am curious about things. That is how God made me. To be curious. Just because everything ultimately comes from God doesn't mean that I'm not curious.
Such fossils are indicative of the theory of tectonics, last I checked. Either the mountains moved or the water did, and since we can explain why the mountains moved, then that's probably why.
We can also explain water. Is there not floods these days? Earlier in the thread while still talking about climate people said that the oceans were going to start to rise. So I don't see what's so far fetched as believing in the Flood.
A satisfactory answer? You choose not to question God above but now you question... Gods? That's contradictory, and you know it. Hmmm? There is a difference between God and "gods".
No, because I would have absolutely
no
ability to sway an ordained minister. Thus, arguing with a minister would be a waste of my time. You on the other hand, are still young (so you claim, though we know you to be a teenager), so I figure that perhaps I can get you to think otherwise. :)
Well, I can tell you know, you're not going to sway me.
Edit - since some people want to discuss the original topic. Maybe one thing changing our climate is that fact that our planet is lighter than it once was. All the stuff we have sent into space is surely screwing with out orbit.
Post by
240135
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Post by
Queggy
so wait...
Queggy...
you say that things can evolve in small cases and that these small evolutions don't build up over time?
so what? a bacteria becoming slightly larger, then growing a flagella, then getting bigger, then the flagella becomes more developed, then bigger, bigger, bigger, more and more developed, etc. won't
eventually
become, say, a leech?
It happened, and has happened in the past, maybe not quite like that but yes.
Or the fossils of small, less developed horses, then others of slightly more horse-like horses, then more so, then more so, then almost horses, then horses, over time, is not proof?
you can go look it up yourself.
Can you grow a new arm? I don't think so. When I say micro-evolution I mean like your body building up defenses against a new strain of disease it has never encountered before.
Post by
L33tsauce
so wait...
Queggy...
you say that things can evolve in small cases and that these small evolutions don't build up over time?
so what? a bacteria becoming slightly larger, then growing a flagella, then getting bigger, then the flagella becomes more developed, then bigger, bigger, bigger, more and more developed, etc. won't
eventually
become, say, a leech?
It happened, and has happened in the past, maybe not quite like that but yes.
Or the fossils of small, less developed horses, then others of slightly more horse-like horses, then more so, then more so, then almost horses, then horses, over time, is not proof?
you can go look it up yourself.
Can you grow a new arm? I don't think so. When I say micro-evolution I mean like your body building up defenses against a new strain of disease it has never encountered before.
Not suddenly and spontaneously, but over time, your species could develop another arm to better enable its survival.
Post by
240135
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Post by
Naxxos
Edit - since some people want to discuss the original topic. Maybe one thing changing our climate is that fact that our planet is lighter than it once was. All the stuff we have sent into space is surely screwing with out orbit.
The mass of object sent into space compared to the mass of the planet itself (and all things on its surface) is so small that such an effect could not be remotely possible. 'Global warming' today is due to A: an increase in greenhouse gases from man and B: a naturally occurring cycle. Did you know that at some points in its past Earth was completely covered in ice (
Snowball Earth
)? The planet then warmed up due to increases in greenhouse gases and the ice melted. Such cycles have always been present on Earth. Mankind has augmented them slightly in the past 200 years, but most people would have you believe that we are mostly responsible.
Post by
Laihendi
Edit - since some people want to discuss the original topic. Maybe one thing changing our climate is that fact that our planet is lighter than it once was. All the stuff we have sent into space is surely screwing with out orbit. Laihendi is gonna add this to his sig so that you can never deny having said it in the future.
Post by
240135
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Post by
Interest
Edit - since some people want to discuss the original topic. Maybe one thing changing our climate is that fact that our planet is lighter than it once was. All the stuff we have sent into space is surely screwing with out orbit.
I dunno, the amount we've sent into space is miniscule compared to amount (moles) of gas we've been emitting over the same amount of time...
I think.
Plus, that's another problem to address: devouring our planet's resources to sate the explorer's appetite. (A gamble, if anything)
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240135
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Post by
MyTie
Why I dislike the climate arguement, either for or against, is because so many people have made so much money off of it, without producing anything. I've seen politicians and corporations scare products into the market. These products, they admit, wont help (see Kyoto). It is so hard to know which fish is safe to trust when your in a tank full of moneygrubbing sharks.
Without saying I agree with man made global warming or not, I disagree with the political scare tactics used to try to get me to believe it. It damages my trust even further for politicians, and if there IS a man made global warming mass extinction event on the way, and we CAN prevent it, trying to scare people into it is only going to slow things down. Either way, the problem is there is not a trustworthy soul in the room of people screaming death.
Edit: "We're all going to DIE! Unless, you give me your money and vote for me" - Al Gore
Post by
Laihendi
You realize Al Gore could have easily gotten the democratic nomination and won the presidency for 2008 if had wanted to... right?
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