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Post by
Murrdurr
WoW never has been very hyard. But anyone who played pre2.4 can agree with me, leveling and dungeons were more challenging and often took actual groups. Hinterlands was practically a grp zone. Hell, preshattering people were always stuck in their 40s and 50s not knowing really where to quest
Post by
voodoopimp
The EXACT same thing happened in Vanilla but worse. Have you actually SEEN the mechanics of bosses back then? most of them had a whooping total of 2 skills that they spammed over and over. The only reason they were so hard is that they required insane amounts of timesinks in the form of attunement quests that involved heavy grinds and farming, and going through several grinds to get the different set pieces needed.
To a large extent that is still the case to day. Why do you think it is possible to "solo" old raid bosses despite them having more abilities? If it were a truly challenging battle, you would still have to make an effort to defeat an old WotLK boss at 90 because the boss would not just attack you following a fixed, predictable pattern.
Most of those bosses are trivial now because you can ignore mechanics that were originally dangerous just by virtue of having so much more health and DPS. They were never designed with above-level soloing in mind, so there's no reason for all of their mechanics to remain challenging. And even so, there are still some bosses that can be a challenge when solo - for instance, several of the Ulduar hard modes.
Post by
Dilbo
Horse crap; there were a lot of screwed up games...including the most famous Nintendo glitch, where the saved game files would randomly be deleted: I had that happen a crap ton of times across multiple carts....and it wasn't just NES; I saw it happen with SNES, Genesis and the N64.
Having higher QC doesn't mean perfection or a total lack of bugs...but any of the titles that were mainstream popularity did not require "patch updates". It's common knowledge that the games were put through more strenuous QC because back then there was no way to patch games. Today it's more about meeting deadlines even if there are glitches.
You need to take off your rose coloured glasses and go back and play those 'super hard' games..and watch as you just blow through them now a days.
I never had much trouble completing the games "back in the day". I remember getting stuck at certain times, not being sure where to go next, but I eventually figured it out. Being "super hard" was not the point; the point was the level of engagement was better. You felt like what you were doing in the game mattered because you progressed and did not simply grind away for gear.
Also...if WoW is so tedious and pathetic, do yourself a favour and quit the game and leave fan sites so you don't have to worry about it anymore.
Why do you think you have the right to tell anyone to quit? You don't know me or why I play the game, so STFU. Me saying that the game could be BETTER than it is if the development effort matched the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in revenue that they earn from the game in no way suggests that I think it's "crap".
WoW is a solid entertainment value going by the dollar per hour metric, but the technology exists to make it better and they should. The warlock green fire quest is an example of what I'd like to see more of in the game for all classes. Being able to get stuff that few other players have (without having to drag 9-24 other people along) is fun and would feel satisfying to complete.
Post by
Adamsm
It's common knowledge that the games were put through more strenuous QC because back then there was no way to patch games. I'd suggest you go and look up the game breaking bugs that existed in a large number of cartridge based games; you'd be surprised how many were released with 'quality control' being non-existent.
You felt like what you were doing in the game mattered because you progressed and did not simply grind away for gear.And I feel like I progress through WoW so there you go. You see it as a grind, time to find a new game.
Why do you think you have the right to tell anyone to quit? You don't know me or why I play the game, so STFU. Because all I see you do is complain about things when it comes to WoW; if you are so dissatisfied, it is time to go.
Post by
Wowpixel
WoW never has been very hyard. But anyone who played pre2.4 can agree with me, leveling and dungeons were more challenging and often took actual groups. Hinterlands was practically a grp zone. Hell, preshattering people were always stuck in their 40s and 50s not knowing really where to quest
As first content is challenging as that's the
only
content available.
When a MMO has more expansions though to level through, the devs can't keep players bogged down with first expansion content to level through to even play the new content. This is how/why earlier content is made easier, so players can get to "end-game" within a year of a 2 year expansion...or people won't buy the latest expansion, as they won't reach it in time!
Post by
781960
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Post by
Rankkor
Some of us actually have other things to do than sit around and play a game...
-.-
So..... you're here complaining that the game is easy. I point at you something that is not, and you say "I have better things to do than sit around and play a game.
Yeah, I think we're done here.
Post by
Dilbo
So..... you're here complaining that the game is easy. I point at you something that is not, and you say "I have better things to do than sit around and play a game.
Yeah, I think we're done here.
I'm far from being alone in stating that the game is easy; it's not a complaint - it's a fact...and you're still not grasping the idea that time consuming doesn't equate to being difficult. There are plenty of games which do not take a lot of time but are quite challenging, and content-gating by artificially prolonging the time it takes to be able to access a part of the game is an obsolete business practice which has no basis in terms of game difficulty (unless you believe the marketing spin).
I'd suggest you go and look up the game breaking bugs that existed in a large number of cartridge based games; you'd be surprised how many were released with 'quality control' being non-existent.
No, I wouldn't be, because none of the games I played had such "game breaking" bugs. If you were citing TMNT as challenging it's obvious you were not on-target with the truly challenging games of that era.
And I feel like I progress through WoW so there you go. You see it as a grind, time to find a new game.
No, it's time for the game to evolve and become less appealing to people like you and more appealing to people like me.
Because all I see you do is complain about things when it comes to WoW; if you are so dissatisfied, it is time to go.
I haven't made any complaints - only statements of fact which you have failed to counter with any kind of logical argument...so maybe you should go back to school and learn a few things instead of spending your time playing games.
WoW has become too easy and it has attracted too many players like yourself - who are stumped by games like pong and TMNT because they have no friends to play the games with. lol(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##
Post by
Monday
No, it's time for the game to evolve and become less appealing to people like you and more appealing to people like me.
I wasn't sure if you were a troll until now.
Sorry mate, but you tipped your hand.
Post by
Jkpman
No, it's time for the game to evolve and become less appealing to people like you and more appealing to people like me.
People like you are the worst part of any gaming community.
I haven't made any complaints - only statements of fact which you have failed to counter with any kind of logical argument.
You should perhaps look up fact in a dictionary because all you have presented is your own opinion.
WoW has become too easy and it has attracted too many players like yourself - who are stumped by games like pong and TMNT because they have no friends to play the games with. lol
Awwww, you don't have the ability to debate so you resort to petty insults.
As far as players go I'd take one player like Adamsm over a thousand players like you.
Post by
Adamsm
If you were citing TMNT as challenging it's obvious you were not on-target with the truly challenging games of that era.
This is the TMNT
game in question; but please, continue to state that those games were better then what we have now. No one is going to change your mind, so have a nice day.
Post by
Rankkor
So..... you're here complaining that the game is easy. I point at you something that is not, and you say "I have better things to do than sit around and play a game.
Yeah, I think we're done here.
I'm far from being alone in stating that the game is easy; it's not a complaint - it's a fact...and you're still not grasping the idea that time consuming doesn't equate to being difficult. There are plenty of games which do not take a lot of time but are quite challenging, and content-gating by artificially prolonging the time it takes to be able to access a part of the game is an obsolete business practice which has no basis in terms of game difficulty (unless you believe the marketing spin).
Way to go focusing on the first 9 words of the post and ignoring the rest.
I pointed out to you several parts of the game that are not easy and are not time-consuming and you dismissed it as "I have better things to do than play a game"
Post by
Maurvyn
No, it's time for the game to evolve and become less appealing to people like you and more appealing to people like me.
Because you or your sub matter more than any of the other 10 million players?
Holy Narcissistic Self-Obsession Batman!
I haven't made any complaints - only statements of fact which you have failed to counter with any kind of logical argument...so maybe you should go back to school and learn a few things instead of spending your time playing games.
1. Please look up the word "fact".
2. Then research the concept "logic".
3. Oh, nevermind. Given your previous responses it is evident that you have no interest other than making yourself heard and denigrating dissenters.
Given that multiple people have attempted to argue your points: Successful Troll accomplished, good sir.
WoW has become too easy and it has attracted too many players like yourself - who are stumped by games like pong and TMNT because they have no friends to play the games with. lol
Straw man - Ad hominem
again
. I was sure someone who thinks as highly of their own opinions as you could find a way to utilize more than just the same few logical fallacies.
Also, one of worst uses of "
lol
" I think I have ever seen.
And I have teenagers...
Damn.
OP was five "sentences" - asking if the game was as easy throughout as it was for him in a single random dungeon (presumably low level - though never specified).
The thread is now three pages - mostly attempting to define the nebulous concept of 'difficulty', sprinkled with more than the Federal Daily Internet Requirements of arrogance, elitism, trolling, and insults.
We are one lolcat, one facepalm, and a few doge references away from being reddit.
You can't say the Wowhead community isn't engaged. :)
Post by
cephadex
after 4 years i havnt played i returned, got recruited and now leveling up with my raf doing dungeons.
the dungeons are too easy we took all the monsters together.
the raids became easy too?
why did blizzard changed it too be like it?
Yes, it has. This topic has been discussed countless times, can't there be a master thread for it or something?
Post by
Dilbo
People like you are the worst part of any gaming community.
Are you the guy who I pwned in a bladestorm? Don't stand in the bladestorm!
You should perhaps look up fact in a dictionary because all you have presented is your own opinion.
Ooooo-K.
Awwww, you don't have the ability to debate so you resort to petty insults.
As far as players go I'd take one player like Adamsm over a thousand players like you.
Removed
This is the TMNT
game in question; but please, continue to state that those games were better then what we have now. No one is going to change your mind, so have a nice day.
Not sure if you are you cool but rude, or if you are the party dude...but I don't like repeating myself. TMNT is not an example of a challenging game. The best games of that era were, as a whole, more challenging and more fun than WoW is now or is ever likely to be.
Because you or your sub matter more than any of the other 10 million players?
Holy Narcissistic Self-Obsession Batman!
If it was just about subs, nobody would be banned for anything, ever. A game that is too easy attracts too many dumb people and degrades the experience overall, just like giving people free housing results in said housing becoming a crime-riddled ghetto.
1. Please look up the word "fact".
2. Then research the concept "logic".
3. Oh, nevermind. Given your previous responses it is evident that you have no interest other than making yourself heard and denigrating dissenters.
Given that multiple people have attempted to argue your points: Successful Troll accomplished, good sir.
You talk a lot but have not made any counter arguments. Enumerated lists don't make you more relevant, but it's good to see the fruits of common core paying off.
Straw man - Ad hominem
again
. I was sure someone who thinks as highly of their own opinions as you could find a way to utilize more than just the same few logical fallacies.
No a single counter argument here; just a lot of what amounts to you whining.
Also, one of worst uses of "
lol
" I think I have ever seen.
And I have teenagers...
Damn.
Double LOL.
OP was five "sentences" - asking if the game was as easy throughout as it was for him in a single random dungeon (presumably low level - though never specified).
The thread is now three pages - mostly attempting to define the nebulous concept of 'difficulty', sprinkled with more than the Federal Daily Internet Requirements of arrogance, elitism, trolling, and insults.
Since when does elitism refer to people who actually want to be challenged and not simply given a "win" by a game that's too easy. Difficultly is not "nebulous"; making the pve bosses have dynamic AI routines rather than a fixed attack pattern would boost difficulty substantially. How is that concept so hard to grasp?
RNG is not difficulty.
Time consumption by artificially delaying reward for an easy activity is not difficulty.
Having to play the game with liberals is a challenge, since they're always the first to throw in the towel whenever a smidgen of difficulty presents itself.
We are one lolcat, one facepalm, and a few doge references away from being reddit.
You can't say the Wowhead community isn't engaged. :)
Only someone who participates in those venues would know about those things - and I don't know about those things...seems like you, sir, are the real troll around here. LOLOL
Now if you're going to post another boring, long-winded response, at least try to refute anything I said about the difficulty of WoW in general, or how it compares to older games.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##Derogatory references to the special Olympics aren't going to be tolerated here.
Post by
Maurvyn
Now if you're going to post another boring, long-winded response, at least try to refute anything I said about the difficulty of WoW in general, or how it compares to older games.
There is nothing to refute.
You keep acting as if you have made a logical, reasonable argument that we all are just too 'liberal' to understand.
All you have done is state and restate your
opinion
, and then insult or demean everyone who disagrees, in an apparently deplorable and abusive manner.
It is apparent that you are convinced of your own infallibility, and there is no therefore no reason in discussing anything with you. You aren't interested in a dialogue, you are only here to ram your opinions in our face and pretend that somehow you have 'won' the conversation.
Opinions are not facts, and require no rebuttal.
Everyone is entitled to their own.
Even you.
Post by
1232013
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Monday
You guys are falling for this so hard. It's actually rather amusing.
Post by
Tykzor
ok. to summarize:
WoW in different difficulties:
easy: full heirloom set or blue gear or purple (epic) gear.
normal: green gear / green weapons
hard: white gear / white weapons
really difficult: gray gear / gray weapons
insanely difficult: no gear but with any kind of weapons.
near impossible: no gear and no weapons.
Ok, I'll admit that this is somewhat cynical maybe, but the game could be as hard as you want it to be.
But then again. Epic is shiny and cool. everybody wants to look good.
And I'm also one of those persons that just wants to wear gear that looks awesome.
In the WoD expansion old content could be fun again. There's talk about scaling down gear to the appropriate level of the instance you enter.
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