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Post by
Adamsm
The CoT dungeons can be just for fun though; there wasn't a real reason to go back to Hyjal, as the Infinites were not mucking around with that time line after all.
Post by
Short
I could debate Illidan all day long however, to get back on topic, I still believe his presence would attract players to the game again.
Maybe a small % of players who loved tbc or Illidan and have since quit. I don't see bringing him back really serving any real purpose though or his presence in the game being a reason people would be willing to pay $15/mo if they would otherwise rather be doing something else. The only way he would really make sense to be in the game again is through some sort of caverns of time scenario/dungeon/raid but I think Bliz may be done with those now that Murozond was dealt with in Cata. As far as I can tell the whole Dragon Soul patch content got the timelines back on track and safe from further manipulation.
Nozdormu is still alive so Murozond isn't fully dealt with yet.
Post by
Adamsm
Nozdormu is still alive so Murozond isn't fully dealt with yet.
Yeah but it won't appear till the end of time so we're safe.
Post by
pewpewx
There is always such doom and gloom on WoW Message boards, well all MMO message boards. I have been hearing about WoW's death two months after it went retail. The latest proof that all the Chicken Littles like to quote is that WoW is down to 8.5 million subscribers.
Even at the lowest subscription cost of 11USD/month WoW is grossing over a $1,122,000,000USD a year. Yes well over a Billion a year and that is just subscription costs, that is not factoring in how much they made on the last XPAC. Even if that number is inflated by 2 Million subscribers we are still talking about a product that grosses 850 Million+ a year.
That is a tremendous amount of money.
Regaurding Titan, delaying product releases is what Blizzard does. I don't believe I will ever see a Blizzard product until I do. Also Blizzard isn't blizzard anymore. The original founders sold the company long ago and the name Blizzard doesn't carry the same guarantee it once did.
Don't forget all the in-game pets/mounts/character services lmao...
Post by
Wowpixel
There is always such doom and gloom on WoW Message boards, well all MMO message boards. I have been hearing about WoW's death two months after it went retail. The latest proof that all the Chicken Littles like to quote is that WoW is down to 8.5 million subscribers.
What's really funny is the fanboi knee jerk reactions towards any slip in subs. They'll be making the same glossed over remarks when WoW has 1 million subs left.
That's the delusional power of addictions.
Rest of the players would rather have some sensible fixes to flaws that exist, as no game is fun to play when no one exists online (even in a CRZ).
Oh, and the reason why the complaints exist is because the squeaky wheel is what gets heard (do you think it's fun to complain?). But for Blizzard the best way to communicate to them is with your wallet. It's the true language they understand (as it's the language of doing business). They can't operate without it, too.
As for Titan, the market is changing that by 2016 Titan better have consoles playing alongside PC gamers (meaning it will have a true dumbed downed UI and controls), or by then there won't be any breaking subscription records. PC gaming is slowly dying out as the consoles become more powerful (still won't ever be as powerful as a dedicated gaming rig), that in 3 years they'll slip well below 50% of overall sales, meaning not a profitable platform to design games for anymore. If anything that data is coming out loud and clear at Blizzard HQ. FPS games are becoming hybrid with both console+PC gamers playing together (BF3 for example), and that's how gaming will look more like in the future (until modular computing makes console gaming not convenient anymore...a good 5+ years from now).
Kids are thinking F2P, but the industry is looking at market share and what platform to invest in. That may have been why Titan development stopped. It has to go hybrid, and that's changing more than code, it's trying to build a WoW killer to operate on a PS4, with as many options PC gamers enjoy by default (and dealing with all the pettiness consoles are going through now...Hi, EvE Online, Tranquility has been offline for almost a day for a DDoS attack, probably due to DUST 512 being made exclusively for PS3).
Post by
SodiumIon
Standard blizzard procedure. They don't rush.
It'll most definitely be worth the wait.
The most troublesome thing about this is that isn't really standard Blizzard procedure. They aren't "improving", "extending" or anything they use to do.
They are halting a project at the middle, and starting it all over again.
Like something that went wrong, what was the name again? I think Diablo 3....
JUST AFTER they moved Jay Wilson to Titan. Rob Pardo will be kicking himself very "SOON".
Relax. Resets have happened before. *cough*Starcraft*cough* (See:
http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/starcraft-orcs-in-space-go-down-in-flames
and
http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/tough-times-on-the-road-to-starcraft
)
IMHO Blizzard probably has gotten better at managing their resources - they kind of have to with the billion dollar game known as WoW to up keep. It's a bloody miracle they survived in their early days.
Post by
MacGyver1911
Standard blizzard procedure. They don't rush.
It'll most definitely be worth the wait.
Um.. Did you play Diablo 3? 'Worth the wait' is NOT a Blizzard guarantee anymore, at all.
That being said I have some hope for Titan, albeit Sons of Liberty and Diablo 3 have shaken the faith. I'm hoping that they don't buy into the cliche player complains about wanting pristine character models at the expense of game play..
I played D3 - quite a bit actually. I still play D3. People don't seem to quite understand that even though there is a loud crowd surfing the forums and blogs crying about how big of a failure D3 was, not everyone agrees. In the entire time I've played D3, I typically have played with random groups. Not a single time since release have I heard anyone complain and many times I've heard people express how much they enjoy the game.
No matter how loud or confident or adamant you are that D3 was a failure, it'll only ever be an opinion. All of that being said, I agree with the original statement. Since it's a Blizzard game, "It'll most definitely be worth the wait."
Post by
Kaelius537744
I have to agree with what ZeroEdgeir, Clonzoo, and Fizzysid, have already posted. If people will only take some time to calm down and analyze the innumerable other factors other than the current 8.3 million subscribers, they would see that Blizzard still can and will deliver the games we all love so dearly. Keep your faith in Blizzard! :)
Post by
Izikiel
A 1.7 million subscriber loss in less than a year?
That's astonishing.
I'm not sure if I am happy or sad.
Sad, that Blizzard may introduce F2P after all or P2W.
Or happy that they can focus more on mistakes they made.
Post by
Jkpman
A 1.7 million subscriber loss in less than a year?
That's astonishing.
I'm not sure if I am happy or sad.
Sad, that Blizzard may introduce F2P after all or P2W.
Or happy that they can focus more on mistakes they made.
Do you know how many subscribers they would need to lose before F2P ever became a viable option?
That delicious slice of humble pie The Old Republic, you know, the WoW Killer? had less than a million subs when they went F2P.
So please stop with the nonsense already.
Subscriber drop off is a normal phenomenon, and every time it happens you see threads like this with people claiming the end is nigh.
The death of WoW is like the End of the world, It isn't happening anytime soon, but every year enough nutjobs believe that it is happening this year. One day they'll be right after years of being wrong. But not today.
Post by
Berndorf
A 1.7 million subscriber loss in less than a year?
That's astonishing.
I'm not sure if I am happy or sad.
Sad, that Blizzard may introduce F2P after all or P2W.
Or happy that they can focus more on mistakes they made.
Do you know how many subscribers they would need to lose before F2P ever became a viable option?
That delicious slice of humble pie The Old Republic, you know, the WoW Killer? had less than a million subs when they went F2P.
So please stop with the nonsense already.
Subscriber drop off is a normal phenomenon, and every time it happens you see threads like this with people claiming the end is nigh.
The death of WoW is like the End of the world, It isn't happening anytime soon, but every year enough nutjobs believe that it is happening this year. One day they'll be right after years of being wrong. But not today.
Well, its sort of like most any thing that can be measured and therefore gives people a reason for concern. On one hand, wow is prob years away from really having to consider a switch to f2p but on the other hand the sub losses in the last year or so do make people feel like the writing may be on the wall if Bliz can't turn things around with this next exp. Some people just think in longer timeframes than other people imo and get concerned that in 3 years wow
could
be f2p. Its the same as when people get concerned over global warming or the state of energy consumption/creation in the world. Some problems are far off on the horizon but there is nothing wrong with addressing them if people choose to in a rational manner.
The eventual release of Titan also adds another twist to the whole discussion of wow going to f2p at some point or whether the mmo community will really sustain two huge p2p mmo's.
Post by
Adamsm
A 1.7 million subscriber loss in less than a year?
That's astonishing.
I'm not sure if I am happy or sad.
Sad, that Blizzard may introduce F2P after all or P2W.
Or happy that they can focus more on mistakes they made.
Yet..there is still 8 million players; Blizzard will never make up the money they get from the subs for microtransactions at this point.
Post by
Izikiel
A 1.7 million subscriber loss in less than a year?
That's astonishing.
I'm not sure if I am happy or sad.
Sad, that Blizzard may introduce F2P after all or P2W.
Or happy that they can focus more on mistakes they made.
Yet..there is still 8 million players; Blizzard will never make up the money they get from the subs for microtransactions at this point.
Yeah, you're right. But I guess that money has to come from somewhere else now?
Post by
Adamsm
Until they drop below 1 mil subs(which is the same number TOR was at when they announced it) I really don't think you'll have to worry about the game going free to play...but then again, since this is for the Titan Project, talking about the sub loses is a bit much.
Post by
Abe415
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Post by
Nulgar
I think it's trying to communicate...
Post by
lonewolfe31705
when i first started playing wow i never thought id quit in months even years then you morons came out with cata then mop and skrewd up the whole game and fed youre dev's retard food and update after update made me hate the game that much more THEN when i think you guys are coming back with diablo 3 ...guess what you skrew that up aswell QUIT THAT then i heard about this titan AFTER ALL HOPE IS LOST seeing how wow was thinking man if wow looked like that at lvl 60 imagine what they could do now NO IT WAS SOO TERRIBLE AFTER 3YRS OF HYPE YOU GUYS TRASH THE IDEA and come out with #$%^ING CARD GAME! like srsly u guys arent all bad just really really STUPID i want to spend 15 month on subs i want to spend 60 bucks on expansions JUST AS LONG AS IT KEEPS ME INTERESTED AS SOON AS the next wow killer comes out IN A HEARTBEAT IM QUITTING WOW dont get me wrong if you guys fix wow OR make something totally new BUT 10X better ill def be playing for another 3-4 years guarenteed you guys had like 12mill players acouple years back and now im hearing its down to like 7-9mil comon guys something is wrong there and yesterday i get on wowhead i see NEW VANITY ITEMS WHAT THE HELL! thats what people are working on up there 3 helms and a mount #$%^ing a im done do something about it i speak for alot of people aswell who feel the same way. pce
LOLWUT?
Just because a game loses a players over a bit of time, and you don't like an expansion or two doesn't mean its dying. If you really want to show Blizzard how mad you are, do like a few of us suggest every time one of these threads, qqrants, gripe posts appear.....UNSUBSCRIBE and go play something else.
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1064056
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Post by
Tenjen
People keep bring up D3 like it flopped when it was the 6th to 7th most successful game at the time.
Other than a few questionable design features, that silly DRM, it was otherwise quite good and people had fun in the MP. The very vocal minority who hated it just made it toxic to hear about on the net.
Also trying to read a lot of the posts on the last few pages here is getting painful.
The topic is going off its rails.
Best i can tell is that they're making Titan as current as possible in content and the tech behind it
Post by
Berndorf
People keep bring up D3 like it flopped when it was the 6th to 7th most successful game at the time.
Other than a few questionable design features, that silly DRM, it was otherwise quite good and people had fun in the MP. The very vocal minority who hated it just made it toxic to hear about on the net.
Also trying to read a lot of the posts on the last few pages here is getting painful.
The topic is going off its rails.
Best i can tell is that they're making Titan as current as possible in content and the tech behind it
a. I think D3 actually had more criticism than just the 'small minority' and it seems as though Bliz might have fixed some of those gripes(I do have it haven't played it in quite some time) but my biggest criticism of that game is the final act. Just very badly done imo with very little in the way of replayability and the whole thing of champion mobs being so much harder generally than the major bosses. I should also add that I think the rmah was a bad idea to put in the game but Bliz couldn't resist the profit potential of it.
b. By saying that Bliz is making Titan "as current as possible in content and tech behind it" that isn't necessarily a guarantee of it being good content. I mean every mmo that comes out nowadays could claim to have the most current content and tech possible but that doesn't mean it is a good game or something people want to play. Content in itself is a very in the eye of the beholder sort of thing so using 'current' as a way of measuring it is just sort of vague and illogical imo. Not everything current is always good and I think it has more to do with how the devs are envisioning gameplay and how well they can execute that vision than anything else.
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