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Post by
EMPHaraljier
Sorry, it's an academic point, but I had to say it =P
I don't blame you. In fact, thank you.
Post by
Alwuwa
My thoughts go as follows (Critisise in any way you want :D)
Sylvanas; Blizzard have wanted to use her story so much, and I think that soon, perhaps not in Warlords, but soon we will see this story come to fruition. As the first of this thread says, the Alliance incursions have been affecting the northern lands of Lordaeron since, well since Vanilla. But it has been useful and, also not so useful. The Alliance have helped to destroy thousands of "Mindless Undead", but have also killed many of the Forsaken and Horde forces.
Story time for the future :
Sylvanas has been getting pretty pissed off over the Alliance attacking her claimed lands and her people. So, she went on the offensive, Gilneas, Southshore and Alterac were pretty much decimated by her forces. Now, Varian and the Council have taken this into account, and they have been preparing an all out invasion of Tiristfal Glades ever since the reformation of the Horde under Vol'Jin's banner. Vol'Jin has tried to use diplomacy to get Sylvanas to stop avenging her fallen forsaken by attacking Alliance settlements, namely the Alliance captured section of Andorhal. Sylvanas however has other ideas, she wants to strike at the Alliance head on and make a territory for herself and her people. She decides to start moving her forces without the consent nor the knowledge of Vol'Jin or the other leaders of the Horde. Before her plans were set in motion however, SI:7 had been placed on high alert by a warning given by Thassarian, who told them he believed the Forsaken were planning something dangerous. SI:7 infiltrated the Forsaken half of Andorhal, and found battle plans and maps of Khaz Modan. The agents immediately bid a retreat and returned to Stormwind, alerting Mattias Shaw of what they had uncovered. Mattias forced his way into Stormwind Keep and demanded to see Varian at once. Once he was granted entry he spoke with Varian, telling him what his agents had found and the seriousness of such an invasion. Varian walked out of the War room and had rage painted across his face. Sylvanas had pushed herself too far, she had pushed Varian and the Alliance too far, and finally he'd had enough, he declared a state of war and with his army moved north to Ironforge. Speaking with the Dwarven Council he asked them to join him for what he was going to do : taking back Lordaeron for the Alliance, however, Moira reminded him that he had made a pact with Vol'Jin, and that creating a declaration of war would jeopardise any hope the Alliance had of not creating all out war. So Varian and the Dwarves came up with a plan, allow the Forsaken to live, but reclaim Lordaeron, there was once city left standing that could house the Forsaken.... Stratholme. It's flames have doused and all it needs is rebuilding. According to Varian and the Dwarves this was the best plan of action, but another part of the plan was made, one to make Lordaeron be a name not held in fear any longer. The City of Lordaeron would be made a neutral settlement, and the Alliance wouldn't take Lordaeron back for itself, but rather for a new faction, a neutral faction, to keep tabs on any wrongdoings that either the Alliance or Horde could do. The plan went as it was meant to, and Stratholme was rebuilt, and placed as the capital of the Forsaken people. As for Lordaeron City itself, the Argent Crusade demanded that they be placed in charge, and also commanded that neither faction would dare to invade either's lands again, otherwise the Crusaders would join the invaded faction.
I know it's a bit long and I haven't really used the best of grammar, but thats my thoughts and I just want to hear opinions of what people think of it. People have been arguing about why the Alliance should capture a city, and not have any repercussions from it. This in my opinion is a pretty good way of making a common ground, and neutral cities are always fun aren't they?
Post by
Adamsm
....Sylvanas, do not put a u there for the love of the Naaru.
And if the Alliance reclaim Lordaeron, why would it be a neutral place? That was the seat of one of the greatest human kingdoms in the history of Azeroth; if they took it back, they would not be too happy to continue to have Horde forces wandering it.
Post by
Alwuwa
Well I put that in there as well, the Crusade demanded that they take it over. As well as the Crusade having a vast army, Varian has become a lot more diplomatic and in this scenario, the Dwarves have managed to calm his rage down. So I do get where you're coming from, but its the same with Dalaran, the Alliance weren't happy at first that this was a neutral city after it being the magic centre of the Alliance, but they got on with it.
Post by
Adamsm
Right...until recently, where it looks like Dalaran is going back to possibly being Alliance only after the events of the Divine Bell. It would be the same thing here, since with Theramore destroyed, the survivors of Lordaeron no longer have a home anymore. So reclaiming Lordaeron would allow them to take their home land back.
Post by
Alwuwa
Perhaps thats the way it will go, but that was entirely the work of Jaina who'd been influenced by outside events (Theramore, Anduin getting injured). Lordaeron would be under the command of Tirion or Tyrosus, or another high ranking Crusader.
Post by
Monday
I doubt the Alliance would just hand the land over to the Crusade.
And, for that matter, I doubt the Crusade would join the Forsaken against the Alliance, if the latter invaded. The opposite scenario seems much more likely.
Post by
Alwuwa
Fair enough, you make a good point, but that was my view on it anyways. I thought I'd try and be fair (I'm an Human warrior here, so I tried not to be biased :D, I'd help take Lordaeron back tomorrow if I could ;D )
Post by
Conser
I got something to ask Rankkor. If the majority of the Forsaken aren't evil, then explain Theresa and their conversations about her.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Theresa
Post by
Skreeran
I got something to ask Rankkor. If the majority of the Forsaken aren't evil, then explain Theresa and their conversations about her.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Theresa
That's not really fair.
"If the majority of Americans aren't evil, then explain Abu Ghraib."
Yeah, some bad sh*t went down, and the government probably sanctioned it, but you can't really use that to make sweeping judgments about any entire population.
Post by
Conser
I got something to ask Rankkor. If the majority of the Forsaken aren't evil, then explain Theresa and their conversations about her.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Theresa
That's not really fair.
"If the majority of Americans aren't evil, then explain Abu Ghraib."
Yeah, some bad sh*t went down, and the government probably sanctioned it, but you can't really use that to make sweeping judgments about any entire population.
Maybe if they (the forsaken) hadn't done so much other crap that can be seen as bad, then there probably wouldn't be so many sweeping generalizations about them. Also, there are quite a few people critical of the US Govt, that includes it's own citizens.
The forsaken just don't care.
Post by
morginar
Not even all the forsaken approve of what is done to Theresa.
Leona Tharpe says: I don’t approve of your experiments, Gerard, but I must admit the results are impressive.
Post by
Monday
Maybe if they (the forsaken) hadn't done so much other crap that can be seen as bad, then there probably wouldn't be so many sweeping generalizations about them.
"Maybe if black people weren't so damn lazy, there wouldn't be stereotypes about them."
Post by
Rankkor
I got something to ask Rankkor. If the majority of the Forsaken aren't evil, then explain Theresa and their conversations about her.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Theresa
I have something to ask you Conser.
If the draenei are not evil, then explain
Interrogator Khan
If the humans are not evil, then explain
Garithos
See what they say about generalizations?
Yes, a lot of the forsaken do extremely screwed up stuff. That doesn't make every single one of them demonspawn from hell.
A LOT of the stormwind humans are unbelievably racist,
even against their own allies
and that is but one out of MANY examples. But does this really makes ALL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM racists?
Don't stereotype.
Post by
matheus314
First of all, I have to say I read all this thread and, despite some attempt of dragging it down by a couple of posters, I found it very enteraining to read. I know a lot of what was said here is speculation but I also got a bunch of information that I didn't knew previously.
Addressing to the original idea of the post, after the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar, I can see the Alliance doubling their efforts to, not conquer back Lordaeron at first, but at least regaining some badly lost influence over Northern Eastern Kingdoms. Southshore is lost, there is no comming back from that. So I can see the two major entry points for a new Alliance campaign being both Gilneas and Stromgarde.
The main Alliance forces would be needing to head straight to secure the now desert Gilneas and at least pose a big threat to contain the Forsaken to spread even more their influence over the rest of the continent. Making them hold their advance to the east and worry more about the west.
With that move done, I can see the dwarf front crossing the bridge and with some help from the sea conquering back Stromgarde to Alliance. Specially now that the Wildhammers are back and gaining strenght after the Dragonmaw orcs probably got shafted because of Garrosh's defeat.
This would make a great scenery for the continuous war between the two factions (something I'm sure Blizzard will never cease willingly). With the Horde controlling Northern Lordaeron (Undercity, Quel'thalas, Tarren Mill), and Alliance pushing from the south (Gilneas, Stromgarde and Aerie Peak). Andorhal would be the center battlefield between both factions and why not, an amazing place to PvP (probably with a BG or even some world PvP objectives).
That would both refrain the Forsaken and give the Alliance something to cheer about (without taking anything FROM the Horde).
Post by
Skreeran
I think the Alliance are mainly trying to contain the Forsaken at the moment, not take back captured land. Varian had a pretty good opportunity to break the back of the Horde after the Siege of Orgrimmar, and that's what Jaina was pressing him to do, but he didn't.
While he could very well negotiate some of that land back through diplomacy (he does hold most of the cards now, with the Horde still reeling from the Siege), I doubt he's willing to escalate all the war back to open war after Garrosh's Total War cost so much (both economically and socially).
Post by
matheus314
True, but I don't see Sylvanas being happy to negociate diplomaticaly any of the places the Forsaken has conquered. Nor do I think grabbing back both Gilneas and Stromgarde as war over horde, it'd be mostly to keep the Forsaken at bay, and making it harder for Sylvanas to gamble any kind of threat over the northern EK.
Another thing I'd like to point, and besides it isn't on the OP post, it was brought up on the thread, is the situation on Theramore and Dalaran. Is it just me that thinks that the pointy bottoms of Dalaran fit perfectly on the recent-made Theramore crater? Specially now, since they have something really important in common: Jaina as its leader.
Post by
matheus314
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355559
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
matheus314
Sorry. =/'
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