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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Can I blame the Libertarian Party for my drug conviction?
If they gave classes at reputable universities about how taking drugs would prevent or cure cancer, and you started because you were a high risk cancer patient, then yes, partially.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##ElhonnaDS##DELIM##
Post by
Magician22773
Can I blame the Libertarian Party for my drug conviction?
If they gave classes at reputable universities about how taking drugs would prevent or cure cancer, and you started because you were a high risk cancer patient, then yes, partially.
(ugh,,,incoming topic derail, I fear, but....)
The full Libertarian stance on drug use does not stop at medical use possibilities. It advocates for full legalization of all drugs for personal use. The cornerstone of the Libertarian Party is that the government should make no laws against something that does not harm another person. So by their standpoint, I should be able to cook up a batch of meth, and tweak till I drop.
Also, FWIW, I fully support medical uses of illegal drugs, especially cannabis. The problem is, that in states where it is 'legal' for this use, the prescribing practices of 'doctors' is a joke.
"My back hurts, doc"...here's your green card.
"I have headaches, doc"...here's your green card.
"This cash in my wallet is making me walk crooked, doc"...here's your green card.
And this abuse is partially responsible for actual patients in other states not being able to benefit from it. For every college student in California that is getting high 'legally' for some BS illness, there is a cancer patient in Arkansas that still is puking their guts out from chemo, or being forced to deal with a criminal society to get a bag of weed.
I can tell you first hand, that cocaine is a better SSRI than Paxil and Xanax ever thought about being. I have had to take those medications for 15 years for chemical 'imbalance' related anxiety.....but during the time that I was using drugs daily, I had no need for medication.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
There is a difference between saying "This should be legal, because it doesn't hurt anyone else and we should be free to make our own choices," and saying, "If you inject this drug, it will keep you from dying of the cancer you now have." The first isn't making any claims that using drugs is a good thing to do- only stating that it isn't anyone's business to stop you. The second one is specifically stating that if you do not take drugs, you're going to die.
Religions don't say that following the rules set by God isn't really anything good for you, but you should have the freedom to do it or not. They say that if you do not want to suffer having your soul extinguished, or being tortured in hell for eternity, or being reincarnated as some lower life form on a plane of suffering, then you HAVE to follow the rules of the religion. If the libertarians want people to have the choice whether or not to take drugs, and your daughter decides not to, she isn't facing any consequences. If the libertarian party has convinced you that if she does not, she will die horribly, then you have a motive to force them on her because even if they are somewhat harmful, it's not as bad as an excruciating death over the next year.
A religious doctrine does more than say that you should be allowed to follow its rules- it lays out penalties for not doing so, and they are usually very severe. It's not a matter of you being free to make the choice with all the same information that non-religious people use. It's a matter of telling you that if you do not follow the rules, you will be punished. If your children don't they will be punished. So any person who teaches your children something different is in effect threatening to do worse than killing them. For some people, a threat to their children or neighbors will be met with violence, and so they feel that they are doing the right thing by removing this threat by killing people or injuring them to keep them from leading people away from the rules which then results in a fate worse than death.
We're not talking about people who are left the choice to do something and do something bad. We're talking about people who are convinced by a source they trust that they are saving as many lives by stoning a promiscuous teenage girl to death as they are when they shoot a man who has a gun pointed at their family, because of the dangers sinning present to people's afterlife. It's about changing people's perceptions of whether or not such things are bad at all, because it outlines unseen consequences that you've protected people from that outweigh the visible consequences of a young girl being beaten to death.
Again, not all or even most religions, or most religious people, go anywhere near that extreme. But the concept that there are unseen, unproven consequences that make certain actions good, even when the immediate earthly consequences might make them appear to be not good, can be unnerving to some people because the concept removes the people from operating with the same perceptions of cause and effect. People can't predict with the same accuracy the behaviors that will elicit a response, they don't know how to debate whether or not something is wrong based on the merits of the results they can see because their arguments are up against results they can never see. And there are a significant number of both historical and current events cases which show that a number of people do feel that horrific things on earth that prevent supposed eternal suffering of others are fully justified.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##ElhonnaDS##DELIM##
Post by
Magician22773
As far as i'm concerned the existence of a God has unofficially been proven false in today's times. These religions were made back before science and when people needed an explanation for the un-explainable.
Well,
here is your chance at $10,000
, if you can prove your case to a judge.
Post by
Skreeran
As far as i'm concerned the existence of a God has unofficially been proven false in today's times. These religions were made back before science and when people needed an explanation for the un-explainable.
Well,
here is your chance at $10,000
, if you can prove your case to a judge.Now that just seems silly.
I will wire you all of the money in my bank account if you can prove Thor doesn't exist.
Post by
1112082
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Post by
adamoszkovics
I believe in god.
But for me god is not some kind of benevolant old man who awards you if you are good, its not something outside of me, outside of the world.
Its not a being inside reality or above reality. I think existance itself is god. For me reality, existance and allness are synonyms for god.
The material plane is a dense manifestation of the consciousness of god. So you, me and everything around us is the projection of the consciousness of existence.
Post by
MyTie
Welcome to off-topic adam. Thanks for participating in this highly divisive topic.
Post by
Orranis
Scientific evidence of the earth being at least a hundred thousand years old (from their current understanding, the same evidence we now believe points to billions of years) old has existed since the 16th century in the form of the geological formation of the earths crust that would've taken far more than sub-10,000 years to create as it is (in the layers it's shown to be).
So, do you affirm that there is no way that God possible created the universe about 6-8K years ago?
I said there's no scientific evidence that God created the universe 6-8k years ago, and a ton to the contrary (add radiometric dating which is a lot less interpretable). Also, side note, terrible typo, I meant 18th Century.
From the recycling bin.
Post by
Eccentrica
I do not.
I am perfectly happy to have one life and make it the most productive, happy fulfilling life I can. I savour everything content to enjoy it for what it is. I weigh each decision carefully and try very hard not to harm others or the world I live in knowing full well that I can't just mumble sorry at the end of it all and be forgiven.
I take responsibility for what I do and don't do, what I say and don't say. I am responsible for my own happiness, my own motivation, and my own decisions.
I do not need lessons in charity or kindness or thankfulness, my parents taught me well and prepared me for life as a responsible adult.
And to quote Robert Fulghum, I too learned the following in Kindergarten:
"1. Share everything.
2. Play fair.
3. Don't hit people.
4. Put things back where you found them.
5. CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS.
6. Don't take things that aren't yours.
7. Say you're SORRY when you HURT somebody.
8. Wash your hands before you eat.
9. Flush.
10. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
11. Live a balanced life - learn some and drink some and draw some and paint some and sing and dance and play and work everyday some.
12. Take a nap every afternoon.
13. When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.
14. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
15. Goldfish and hamster and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
16. And then remember the @#$%-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.”
So, I just don't need it. I learned my lessons well.
Edit: and apparently the language filter does not care for the diminutive form of Richard.
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134377
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Post by
Eccentrica
Thank you. I really enjoyed that.
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1119286
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Post by
RioCarter
Sorry for bumping into an old conversation. I believe in God and regularly visit my favorite baptist church
Post by
PonyNightmares
Witch one? My favorite is Zeus. But, if talking seriously, some people need to believe to be better than they are. My thoughts are- u can be a good person if u want, just don't be an as$hole
Post by
Elitegamer010
Yes, I'm Catholic.
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