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Post by
Squishalot
I know, just drawing parallels with Olympic sports for comparison purposes, because we understand that they're considered to be 'sports'.
Post by
OverZealous
I'll try to explain myself; like Squish said, I feel that SC (and indeed, e-Sports in general) is a mental activity, not physical. There is a physical aspect, sometimes significant, when APM comes into the picture, but I would not argue that the physical aspect is the focus of e-Sport, which is where I personally think the difference lies.
I view similar "sports" like Chess and poker the same way.
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557473
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Post by
pikeyboy
Not anymore than TV. There was a quote once: "The problem with our society is that violence is rated 15, whereas sex is rated 18." I can't remember who said it. Turn on the news. Does that exacerbate violence?
Games involving violence should reflect the consequences of violence. (I'm thinking GTA for example). The same as TV. I'm sick of "these pictures can't be shown because they're too graphic". Show them, whatever media. That might put a lot of people off behaving violently. It's reality, and might change opinions on violence for young people.
To put out video games set in our world, movies, or news broadcasts without showing the real consequences, trivializes the implications of violent behaviour.
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331902
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Post by
pikeyboy
I agree. I haven't read 50 shades- I read the first 50 pages, concluded that it was badly written, and just basically a rehash of "The Story of O", and put it down. Similarly, I watched a bit of Clockwork Orange, and found it boring. Lord of the Flies, as I read it, is an exploration of the tension between democracy and totalitarianism, set in the second world war. Fight Club is more about severe mental illness. Neither of those promotes or glorifies violence.
Post by
Adamsm
Actually 50 Shades is just Twilight again...since the book series started off as a Twilight fan fic.
As for the question: No they don't, that's just what the uneducated and scapegoat needing media try to promote.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I would say that MOST video games don't promote violence IRL. I think most of them present it in an unrealistic manner, and in a setting that kind of removes it from real life. Most of the time you're fighting enemy soldiers, dragons, aliens, etc.
I do worry if games that glorify violence done in a modern, non-military setting are promoting violence, though. Just like I worry about television or movies or music that make drugs and violence and criminal activity seem cool, glamorous, etc.
Shooting a "bad guy" or a monster for fun- fine, great. Beating a hooker to death with a baseball bat so you can take your money back...not so much. At least not during formative years- once someone is an adult I doubt they'd be inclined to pick up a crack pipe because someone on TV said it was cool, or change their minds on the "coolness" of owning a gun because they play a lot of games as a gangster. But children DO emulate what they see, and if you let a child play games where the idea of winning is tied to things that are both very present and very dangerous in real life, I do worry that they'll be getting the wrong message about how serious such things are.
Post by
Interest
I would say it such games don't normally incite violence, but rather it depends on the person more so than the media showing the violence (whether it's games, books, or television).
Too bad my parents think otherwise. It's actually almost silly.
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Post by
Adamsm
I would like to point out that difference between video games and other media is that in video games you perform actions yourself instead seeing/reading/listening about SOMEONE doing it. That is what you should be taken in account.
I don't know about that; when I read a first person book, it's hard to not slip into that persona, whether they are a simple worker or a hard nose hit man. Same with any form of entertainment that is all about the escape.
That being said: When I play games like Mortal Kombat or Resident Evil, while it's fun to shoot zombies or beat the testicles out of someone, I know not to do that in real life and I've known that since I was 7 years old.
Post by
Magician22773
Heck, I have been playing violent video games all the way from Mortal Kombat to Grand Theft Auto, and I am just fine.
And if you think I'm not,
I will rip your $%^&ing head off with your spine still attached, steal your car, and go on a shooting rampage!
FLAWLESS VICTORY!
Post by
gamerunknown
Haha, nice one Magician.
I don't think the distinction between video games and other media is all that warranted in the "training" aspect, as the physical actions required are different. Other media are passive though, which may be a valid difference.
I think the most honest thing to say is that studies differ. I keep an open mind as to the possibility of video games leading to heightened arousal which could lead to violent behaviour. The meta-analyses which have been performed tend to demonstrate either slight or no increase in aggressive behaviour. Variables affecting levels of violence include number of participants. Wiki has
more info
. I remember seeing a documentary with Robert Winston where he played Halo with a young guy. The guy said he played video games to relax, but Robert Winston found his physiological arousal levels actually spiked while playing Halo (didn't help that Winston was team killing, lol). I think that in those cases it's not really different from sport though.
Which leads me to 57... I think it'd be quite interesting to have eSport psychologists, if they have coaches and the like already. It can be difficult to recover from a devastating loss, especially when money is on the line. Players also need encouragement to keep up the training for tournaments.
Who's to say that polygamy implies multiple female partners?
Well,
polyandry is a far rarer occurrence than polygamy
. I referred more or less explicitly to polygamy practised in patriarchal cultures, where polyandry is typically forbidden (as it is in Islam).
Post by
Skreeran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWr4htYp9dM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
There's an excellent start.
I say yes and no. No, they don't cause kids to grow up to be murderers. Yes, I think they can foster psychological problems that already have taken hold. Fallout 3 doesn't teach kids to kill and dismember women, but people who already have a problem with those thoughts might be encouraged by playing games like that.
On a related note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbYUd1jUc4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Post by
yukonjack
DD 58 - Do violent games promote violent behavior?
No I don't believe so, and I think there may be a case to be made for just the opposite. Video games can help people relieve stress and take out their frustrations making them less likely to do so in real life.
Humans are a violent race and would continue to be violent with or without video games.
Post by
Patty
It depends on the individual.
Violent games definitely desensitise people to violence, and many games glamorise it. I'd like to think most people know better than to think it's cool to bash somebody's head in with a club. But to be honest, if there are certain mental problems with the individual in question, it may obviously incline them to be more violent.
I don't think one should just single out violent games, though. All media plays some role, although games are of course more interactive than other mediums, and therefore may have a slightly more damaging effect.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm gonna go with no.
An already violent individual, playing a violent videogame "could" get worse, but a perfectly fine person won't just go Lecter on us just because he spent several months playing "Postal"
Biggest proof of this is Japan. 6 out of 10 of the most violent games in history come from japan (Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, just to name the tip of the iceberg). If games are really such a boogieman that creates monsters and teaches them how to kill, Japan should be a dystopian wasteland full of serial killers right? WRONG. Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world.
How you raise your kids and under what conditions is what determines if they grow to be sociopaths or not. Videogames have NOTHING to do with that.
I agree with entro, books can be just as violent as any movie or game, and our imagination has a way of rendering things in a much more graphical and detailed way than any tv or game will ever do it. Nobody is pinning violence to books.
I would like to point out that difference between video games and other media is that in video games you perform actions yourself instead seeing/reading/listening about SOMEONE doing it. That is what you should be taken in account.
If that's the case, how do you explain actors? you think actors that have built their careers doing horror movies are sociopaths? they get to play being incredibly cruel to other human beings and they have to pretend that its real, and that they enjoy it. What about "Dexter" a show about a serial killer that kills other serial killers. Shows onscreen deaths by stabbing, dismemberment, and disembowelment. You think Michael C Hall will eventually develop a socipathy problem due to playing the role of a serial killer for the past 6 years?
This is all make-believe, from the moment we learn to distinguish real from fiction (which happens after we're 8 years old give or take) pretending to be something else has ZERO impact on how we portray in real life.
If the kid (or adult) already had problems BEFORE playing the game, then its true the game could make them worst, but the game itself was not the catalyst of the problem. It NEVER is.
Bottom line, Videogames don't incite violent behavior.
AND I'LL BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE!
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331902
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Post by
gnomerdon
no
i've played all of the worst possible games from this to that.
and i am more mellow than anyone else in the entire world.
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