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So first off Imma start by saying I hope this issue can actually be discussed without the thread being closed. I remember once I made a comment about people selling their accounts and a mod removed it because it was against Blizzards policy.
Then again there have been something like a dozen or so threads and polls about smoking pot and other things like that, so Im hoping that US federal law trumps Blizzards policys. If Im wrong then sorry in advance.
Anyway down to the point. A while ago a buddy of mine in game sent me an email saying that he had been using a pirated version of the bot, moderated and offered to show me the link so I could use it as well.
And I have to admit, its pretty tempting. I mean I feel like it would cheapen the experience of the game and of course I dont wanna get banned. He told me that all the really pro players use some kind of a bot or another anyway. And I kind of believe that, I mean on the really high pop servers you meet these guys with like 10 gold capped characters, theyve got to be either botting or buying/selling gold. Not to mention I already feel like I waste waaay to many hours of my life farming mounts and gold and such.
So my question is, what do you think about the (idk the word, morality maybe?) of botting? I mean does anybody know any guildies or anything that do it? It seems like such a big taboo whenever anybody mentions the subject, its always like "oh !@#$ing botters, cheating A-holes" etc etc.
Anybody have experience with anybody who does it? Would you do it yourself if given the chance? Same question about other stuff, know anybody who buys/sells gold, would you do that youself if given the chance?(##RESPBREAK##)136##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##Removed the name of a specific botting program.
I wouldn't do it. Most people in BGS that do it are reported. I personally like the feel of earning something myself, rather than dependant on a bot. So idc for it TBH.
I would never do it. I only know one person who's severely broken the rules. Don't do it if you value your account =P.
Going to leave this topic open over night, and tomorrow, see how it goes. I think we should be able to have a general converstation about botting on these forums, as it is something that does exist in the game, and is well known about.
Things that we should not have in this post:
Specific names of botting programs
Directions to sites on botting
Instructions on how to bot
Discussion of conversation taken in game with GM's if someone was caught botting.
Finally I would like to remind everyone that botting, and 3rd party programs are against WoW's ToS and EULA, and if you are caught using them it is normally a permanent account suspension.
I've played the game for a long time. I've played it at a lower level, and at a higher level of progression. I have met players at all levels who have used bots. They have all been caught eventually. One player in out guild was even banned mid raid, while not botting, simply because he had been flagged in the past, and then in a batch operation they banned him and 1000's of other botters.
My brother used to, years ago. Eventually caught up to him and he was banned. Not worth it if you have other characters that have spent hours/days etc on, I think anyways.
I know exactly what program you're talking about and believe me it's not nearly as efficient as people make it out to be, well it's efficient at farming, but terrible at reenacting player style movements.
You get caught so easily if you leave it unattended - which kind of defeats the purpose really. Bots don't have perception such as we do, they don't play the game as we do.
For example, I saw a botter recently in Mount Hyjal. His movements would always be the same regardless of the situation. I saw him for a while and 8 years of WoW made me pick it up immediately. He stands still, buffs himself, runs into a mob, then only casts Power Word Shield after getting hit, then casts the same DoT's regardless of the mobs hp and if he needs to heal he jumps, every time he jumps, why? Because it cancels his current spell so he can cast a healing one.
I reported him after having some fun with him. I got that giant molten turtle to kill him a few times.
Not sure if he was ever banned, you know with tickets taking 60 hours to be responded to.
In the past botting companies have even been sued by Blizzard.
I actually did my own botting once. It was in a very different game (Shadowbane) and a very different situation. It was a wholly PvP-oriented game that ill-advisedly had a long, meaningless PvE leveling process with no lore, no quests, no factions, and not even any loot to speak of. So I tried my hand at automation because that was more interesting than getting rushed (which is what everyone else did). Oddly, once I had it working I basically shelved it - I was curious whether I could do it but not really interested enough to let it sit there running.
Of course that's all with me writing my own code. I can't imagine using someone else's - not least because programs for "cheating" are so rife with malware, but mainly because it would no longer have been challenging.
Anyway for the moral side, I can't say I see anything fundamentally wrong with automation - it's a pretty natural reaction to having a reward hidden behind something repetitive. I mean, if I thought it was safe I might well write a helper program to automatically disenchant lots of greens or prospect ores. Does that mean I'm immoral? I'd say it means the trade UI and/or addon API is lacking.
More generally I think botting exposes the sins of the game designer more than those of the player. For example, one does not generally hear about bots being used to sleaze through raids or help win in high-level arenas. I'd say the reason is that blizzard has done a great job of making those areas of the game not repetitive. BGs are a different story - for various reasons they happen to be designed in such a way that having your character stand in the entrance and jump every few minutes is actually quite a reliable way to get rewards if you do it long enough. That's going to lead to botting no matter how many people you ban. Of course it's right and justified that Blizzard ban people for it (and the effort they put into just that should be enough to make any sane person stay a million miles away from WoW bots) but it would be righter and justified-er for them to take a much more serious look at how BGs could be changed so that mindless play stopped earning rewards.
I'm very conflicted about this thread.
Wowhead rules about discussing this stuff are, of course, in large part in place because we don't support private servers, botting or gold-selling but it goes beyond this site taking a stance against those activities. We are also an official Blizzard fansite. That means we have a relationship with them and agree that our site should be a place that is untouched by that shadier side of things entirely. The important thing is that such activities are in no way
on our site which gets into a very grey area of whether discussing a topic is, unavoidably, promoting it.
The only thing making me hesitate at all is that the discussion going on here is mature, respectful and interesting and we
want to shut down that kind of interaction.
However, I hope the participants will accept my sincere apologies but I feel that I really do need to lock this topic.
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