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craftyard
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The shop owner just sounds like a bad piece of work, charging outlandish prices for a drug that would save someone's life.
He's making money off of other peoples' suffering.
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MyTie
It has everything to do with it, actually. If the item costs 2 dollars and they discount me 1 dollar, I'm not going to tell them because its only a buck. If the item costs 100 dollars and they discount me 50 dollars, I'm going to tell them because that's a lot of money accidentally discounted.
So you think that a 1 dollar discount is not something you should worry about?
Let's say that store sells a thousand of those items. Now let's say that there is a problem with their register system, and you were the first one to buy the item, and the only one to notice the problem. That store just lost 1000 dollars, and has to lay off one of its employees. The manager/owner now has to stay at work all night stocking shelves himself. The added work causes him not to be able to attend his child's birthday/soccer games for a year. The kid grows up to be a changed person because of this. The guy that got laid off cannot afford his college tuition anymore and goes into blue collar labor and dies 20 years sooner because his body his worn out.
The things that you do, that are dishonest, that you think are "not that bad", are still dishonest. Something being "not that bad" is not sole justification for an action.
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ElhonnaDS
I always hand back any extra change, if I catch it. The person who will catch the most trouble for it is the cashier who could be fired, or the waitress who will have to make up the difference out of her tips. Even if it wasn't, and I was just "screwing the man"....it's just the right thing to do. Golden rule, people :P
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MyTie
Regarding this change mistakes thing: nearly every store has a policy of "Mistakes cannot be rectified later". I see no reason why this should be a one way street where I correct their mistakes but they refuse to correct their own.
Since others are wrong, you are excused from doing right? Which stage of moral development?Well I don't really consider that all at mcdonalds : /, I already said that unless its some not-so-successful business that I'd keep the money, unless it was a large amount of money discounted. If I go to mcdonalds and they accidently take 1 dollar off my bill, I don't believe for a split second that that will even dent their income in the slightest bit.
You are justified in doing wrong, as long as you don't feel it is too wrong? Which stage of moral development.
I'm trying to encourage you both to move forward from this "self" mentality.
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Azazel
I always hand back any extra change, if I catch it. The person who will catch the most trouble for it is the cashier who could be fired, or the waitress who will have to make up the difference out of her tips. Even if it wasn't, and I was just "screwing the man"....it's just the right thing to do. Golden rule, people :P
But that rule sucks!
... right?
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MyTie
Regarding this change mistakes thing: nearly every store has a policy of "Mistakes cannot be rectified later". I see no reason why this should be a one way street where I correct their mistakes but they refuse to correct their own.
Since others are wrong, you are excused from doing right? Which stage of moral development?
That's exactly the point you've been arguing with regards to the chemist and the cure.
No it isn't. My argument is not that since others have done wrong that the thief is excused from doing right. My argument is that through wrong actions, the shop keeper has created a situation where the thief is right, specifically due to the right to life situation that rises. The thief is not intending to save money. If you take the dying wife out of the equation, then the thief is not SOLELY justified by the incorrect actions of others.
You are saying that those incorrect actions alone justify you. I'm saying that is wrong.
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Adamsm
Ok, what about the ones who willingly followed orders to murder innocent people?That's entirely what DoctorLore is talking about.
Unless it's a poor family run one of a kind store or restaurant, I'll never tell when they undercharged me by accident, because the company is rich and doesn't need a few cents or a buck more from me.
I always do, as my karma wouldn't let me steal from someone else.
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MyTie
I always hand back any extra change, if I catch it. The person who will catch the most trouble for it is the cashier who could be fired, or the waitress who will have to make up the difference out of her tips. Even if it wasn't, and I was just "screwing the man"....it's just the right thing to do. Golden rule, people :P
...oh. Well now that you put it that way.....I'm gonna make sure to give back any accidently discounted change from now on. I didn't consider the possibility of them getting fired over it. Tho, I doubt all bosses would fire the waitress for it, but it's possible.......I never considered that, so I guess it is bad to withhold change you were accidentally discounted.
I still take issue with your position on morality. To you, it seems a morally acceptible thing to do to keep something that is NOT yours, when you have no complicated need for it. However, you find the same action morally unacceptable if it has a negative impact on a person you empathize with. You still don't feel as if the dishonest itself is wrong, but the undesired effect on the cashier. Dishonesty, in and of itself, is morally acceptable to you.
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Adamsm
And isn't it better that the reason I would not do said thing is because it could have a negative impact on someone?Not really...since it's still not that moral, as it sounds like you'd be fine taking from someone who has more money but wouldn't get fired if some vanished.
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Adamsm
Stealing is still stealing Sold; you don't get to pick and choose what is and isn't moral....cause if you do that well...
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