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The Worgen Curse - Hereditary?
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Krutos
I have no confirmed knowledge on these matters but let's have some guesses:
1. Curse transmitted via bite?
- Hmm, the curse is magical in origin which would most likely mean that it won't be transmitted via bite. Then again, if one can get it from drinking worgen blood then it could mean that saliva is also a possible medium of transmition.
2. Children having the curse from birth?
- This would be a pretty definate yes. Again, if the curse has enroached itself to the genome of the parents then it would be most likely that the child would also have it, similarily to other diseases passed by the mother to the fetus (hepatitis, HIV, etc)
3. Only one parent bearing the curse?
- Again, I'd say yes. I'd consider the curse to function like a dominant allele
Adamsm, I trust that you have some links to throw in
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Adamsm
Well there aren't any actual links, but I doubt the Curse will be passed through blood lines; after all, if that was possible, then Genn's wife would be a worgen at this point, and she's not(please, from what they say in the Leader story for him, it's fairly obvious they are still getting freaky).
I see the Worgen form as meant to be the ultimate fighters/defenders of the Gilneas nation now, and if someone wants to join their ranks, they'll have to take the blood to do so. But as it's a magical Curse, and the original version of it was spread across multiple races(at the time at least) through just biting, I'm really not seeing feral worgen babies born...since you know.....that would mean the mothers would be killed during birth.
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Aimsyr
I'm really not seeing feral worgen babies born...since you know.....that would mean the mothers would be killed during birth.
Not necessarily. Feral worgen do not always attack each other on sight like they do with humans and so the child may not show any aggression towards the mother. Not to mention if baby worgen were anything like puppies or human children at birth they would not exactly be able to come out clawing and biting.
Seeing as the curse itself is magical in nature it is also possible that some people would inherit it while others would not, though as with most theories on the curse this is just speculation.
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Adamsm
I'm betting feral worgen children would be more like sharks on birth, as those pups do kill each other. And a worgen without the potion kills anything in it's way, other then it's fellow feral pack members, so if it was possible, the new gens would need the potion right off the back.
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588688
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Adamsm
Could also be that worgen children born from worgen who have gone through the druid ritual to regain their sanity are born sane, or if not, they have to have the ritual done on them at birth, kinda like a baby being blessed with holy water.Which would mean you'd still have a vicious little baby trying to rip and tear at people.
I also don't see a worgen and a human being able to reproduce, as the worgen are no longer the race they were before, and are now such a very different organism, I doubt they'd be compatible with humans, they'd probably be more compatable with say, wolvar, than humans.Sold...that has to be one of the stupidest things I've seen you say in a long long long long time: While they've chosen the name Worgen, at their base, the Gilneas Worgens are still humans, same as the Night Elves who were cursed with it the first time were still Night Elves. It's only when they can't change back, such as those created by the Alpha, that they are a 'new' race.
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588688
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Adamsm
Except...you know.....Genn and his wife are still together; as well as the fact they can transform back into a human form whenever they want to, and only transform back under times of stress. They are a new Human off-shoot, just like Humans are off-shoots of Vyrkul's.
The Worgen Curse is a mutation that can infect any non-Titan forged or non-planar resident, as seen both in Curse of the Worgen and in the game itself, since the crafted races(Dwarves, Gnomes, Vyrkul can't be infected) and those from other planets(Draenei, Orcs and the Legion) cannot receive the Curse. If it was an entirely 'new race', then any and all races on Azeroth would be able to be transformed.
Edit: Also, the Wolvar are closer to the Furbolgs, not the Worgen.
Edit 2: Like I said man, that comment has got to be one of the dumber things you've ever said in your posting days, and that's going back to your time as Lupinedruid.
Edit 3: Also, as they are just larger versions of humans, I really doubt a Worgen would throw a litter.....since you know, the females only have two breasts.
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Aimsyr
And a worgen without the potion kills anything in it's way, other then it's fellow feral pack members, so if it was possible, the new gens would need the potion right off the back.
In my opinion the baby worgen would see its mother as part of the same pack and not attack her - she would smell familiar to the pup and so on, after all if the pup did not see its mother as a part of its pack it would destroy the mother and therefore itself as soon as it has developed claws and sentience, rather than doing so at birth. It stands to reason however, that anyone else present during childbirth that is not a worgen and part of the same family/'pack' would not be .
As for producing offspring, a horse can be bred with a donkey to produce a mule so I would say it is possible for a worgen and a human to produce offspring - especially since the curse is magical in nature.
I also highly doubt that the curse would increase the amount of chromosomes present in the genetics of the person who is afflicted by it rather than simply modifying existing chromosomes, after all only certain races can be afflicted by the curse, so the genetic makeup of the parents would likely be similar enough for reproduction to be possible.
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Adamsm
And a worgen without the potion kills anything in it's way, other then it's fellow feral pack members, so if it was possible, the new gens would need the potion right off the back.
In my opinion the baby worgen would see its mother as part of the same pack and not attack her - she would smell familiar to the pup and so on, after all if the pup did not see its mother as a part of its pack it would destroy the mother and therefore itself as soon as it has developed claws and sentience, rather than doing so at birth. It stands to reason however, that anyone else present during childbirth that is not a worgen and part of the same family/'pack' would not be .There are a lot of animals out there that do kill their mothers while being born.
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588688
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Adamsm
Well I just remembered wolvarines are a type of weasil so ya.....dumb idea. But I doubt genn and mia are still doing it when they're like, in their 80's. Also I don't think it's an STD, it might, but I doubt it. I mean it might.......and she could've gotten infected by now, probably likely since genn and his worgen people live in a pack society mostly away from civilization, I doubt she'd fit in well as a human, so he probably worgenized her, she's also not even mentioned in wolfheart, so it could be possible.Except his Leader story states that neither she or his daughter are worgenized; if they were, it would have made their escape so much easier, since they could have just busted out of the area they were stuck in. And no Sold, she couldn't have, unless Genn shared blood as a human or bit her as a Worgen: Those are the only ways the Curse can be passed on(again, Curse of the Worgen and the game itself).
Either way blizzard has referenced them as former humans and the quest where they regain their sanity permanently as well as the ability to shift back into human form at will says they aren't human anymore. Plus, they can't stay in human form permanently, since high amounts of stress and adrenaline turns them back into their worgen form, and since worgen have to hunt on a regular basis since not hunting, according to Ralaar is excrutiating torture for worgen, and hunting would obviously shift them back into their worgen form. But they can always stay in worgen form. The human form is just an illusion, a mask to hide what they really are, a lie to allow them to fit in with people who distrust their kind.Still can easily be a mutation that is not genetic; and they could be an off-shoot of the Human race, same as the Iron and Frost Dwarves are off-shoots of the Dwarven race.
That and it's permanent and persists even when they're a cold rotting corpse, unlike druid forms, or any other polymorph. Gameplay reasons, not backed up by lore as Worgens do die in Wolfheart and they are still in the human form when the last breath of life leaves them; also we do see the spirits of Worgens be in their human form during quests.
Edit: In Wolfheart, Maiev's groupies hit some of the Worgen camp and killed them before they could transform remember? And those were still humanized when Jarod found them.
But anyway as for children, I believe it's a guarentee that they will have worgen children, since they are a seperate race now, so they'd have to. But even still, blizzard can just come out and say "lol nope, it's not hereditary" and that'd be that. This is why I really wish someone would've asked them this question at last years blizzcon, but I imagine that it would've been really awkward for the person who asked the question.......I doubt it's a guarantee at all. And no Sold, they are not a separate race, they are still part of the Human genomes of Azeroth.
Post by
Aimsyr
And a worgen without the potion kills anything in it's way, other then it's fellow feral pack members, so if it was possible, the new gens would need the potion right off the back.
In my opinion the baby worgen would see its mother as part of the same pack and not attack her - she would smell familiar to the pup and so on, after all if the pup did not see its mother as a part of its pack it would destroy the mother and therefore itself as soon as it has developed claws and sentience, rather than doing so at birth. It stands to reason however, that anyone else present during childbirth that is not a worgen and part of the same family/'pack' would not be .There are a lot of animals out there that do kill their mothers while being born.
True, but worgen instincts seem to be akin to the instincts of wolves, forming packs etcetera, and baby wolves do not kill their mothers at birth.
Edit: And I agree that the curse is most likely not genetic, though I could see it making minor modifications to existing parts of the gene code without creating an entirely new set of genes.
Post by
Adamsm
True, but worgen instincts seem to be akin to the instincts of wolves, forming packs etcetera, and baby wolves do not kill their mothers at birth.Which is true of 'sane' wolves, but if they were born with the same need to kill as a Feral Worgen has? Who knows then.
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588688
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Post by
Aimsyr
True, but worgen instincts seem to be akin to the instincts of wolves, forming packs etcetera, and baby wolves do not kill their mothers at birth.Which is true of 'sane' wolves, but if they were born with the same need to kill as a Feral Worgen has? Who knows then.
But, unless I am very much mistaken, even with that need to kill the feral worgen do not kill fellow pack members unless they are trying to assert their position in the pack.
Otherwise the baby worgen would most likely try to tear its way out through the mothers womb as soon as it has claws and a functioning mind, which would ensure it will die too if it has no developed enough to be capable of surviving on its own. Not that I am discounting this as a possibility, it just seems rather unlikely to me.
Unless we go with the A20L/Aftermath idea that the curse only manifests itself in the offspring once they reach puberty as a result of hormonal changes, which is potential explanation for how worgen would be able to have children without getting torn to shreds by them at birth.
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Adamsm
.......Jarod and Eadrik found a worgen in the woods while searching for the highborne killer that was decapitated by Neva, and he was still in worgen form despite being dead. Jarod was surprised by this, as he had previously thought they'd return to human form upon death. That was it. And chris metzen has said they are "former humans", and again the quest.
And there were others who were killed in there as well that were stuck in the human form so.......yeah, there is still a large number of things that say otherwise to the idea that 'Always a Worgen'. And Metzen has yet to say 100% 'yes they are a new race'.
But, unless I am very much mistaken, even with that need to kill the feral worgen do not kill fellow pack members unless they are trying to assert their position in the pack.
Otherwise the baby worgen would most likely try to tear its way out through the mothers womb as soon as it has claws and a functioning mind, which would ensure it will die too if it has no developed enough to be capable of surviving on its own. Not that I am discounting this as a possibility, it just seems rather unlikely to me.
Hence the feralness of them lol.
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588688
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Post by
Aimsyr
Either way we'll have to wait until Blizz clarifies whether worgen can reproduce or not in the first place, let alone if baby worgen are insane at birth or not as well as whether or not they are born in their worgen or human form, to get a canon answer.
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