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Young Chinese toddler in China got ran over twice and no one helped her
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Post by
Adamsm
Male bias exists everywhere though, not just in China/India.
Post by
Gone
Male bias exists everywhere though, not just in China/India.
Its more severe in some countries than in others, a lot of it here is just because male children statisticly grow up and make more money and carry on the family name. Its really personal selfishness more than gender bias.
Post by
Adamsm
The last part sure, but for the money? I don't know about that.
And this still doesn't have much to do with the fact that a child was run over, and people responded like they normally do in regards to an accident.
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255458
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Post by
Gone
And this still doesn't have much to do with the fact that a child was run over, and people responded like they normally do in regards to an accident.
It all has to do with the same mentality of the way children are treated in that part of the world, like comodities rather than actual people. And its not just the girls either.
And once again, that is not an excuse. There is poverty all over the world and these numbers are not as sever anywhere els, only here because of the one child law, and the general male bias in the culture.
They're not as severe anywhere else because of these combination of factors. Would the culture be a problem without the one child policy? We won't know until it happens, but I'd venture to say no.
Actualy there are plenty of parts of the world where poverty is a lot worse and you dont see these kinds of numbers.
Im not saying that all Chinese people are like this. There are plenty who love their children and would go so far as to give their own life for their child. But you cant ignore the fact that it is a serious problem in that part of the world.
Post by
gamerunknown
^ I'd say that it's more predominate in countries with widespread poverty and certain institutions (dowry, arranged marriages, bigamy). If one can live a comfortable existence while having five daughters (despite the gender pay gap), one is less likely to abort them.
Christopher Hitchens argues quite convincingly that in order to achieve success a society must emancipate women by giving them control over their reproductive organs (he is not a proponent of abortion though). Perhaps this indicates the reverse applies too: that a society can be impoverished because of its poor treatment of women.
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255458
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Post by
Gone
Actualy there are plenty of parts of teh world where poverty is a lot worse and you dont see these kinds of numbers.
Again, it's the combination of poverty and the one child policy.
I wouldnt put it on poverty though, even though poverty is part of the reason behind the one child law. Like I said there is poverty everywhere in the world, and I dont like it when people use that as an excuse for something like this. Weather its the riots of England, the genocides in Africa, or the muggings in the United States, all over the world people use poverty as a blanket exuse for doing terrible things. And its a poor one (no pun intended), there are plenty of people who have nothing that would rather die themselves before harming their child.
Post by
gamerunknown
Oh yeah, male:female birth ratio was roughly 1.1:1 in India and China in 2011 and that doesn't count post-partum infanticide. So the effect is more pronounced here. I'd say the reasons are societal (environmental, memetic, whatever), rather than racial (genetic). In some areas of China and India girls are treated as second class citizens, ranking lower for inheritance, costing the family in terms of dowry and earning less as adults and thus being less capable of looking after the family in old age. Couple that with the one child policy in China, ultrasound and the lack of capacity to care for multiple children and girls become less desired. Even those that survive are often put up for adoption (at least in India), especially those with minor physical defects like a cleft palate or birth marks. These are all institutions that aren't inherently tied to an individual's genes, but rather memes that are prevalent in the memeplex into which they were born.
Edit: Worth mentioning that those taking a societal approach to the Kitty Genovese murder said that it wouldn't ever happen in a collectivistic Asian culture like China or Japan.
and I'd like to reiterate, people that would show absolutely no empathy to the fact that a girl was getting killed would most likely not rush to the aid of a boy, even if there was a niggling remnant of sexism in their brain or suspicion that the parents had engineered the event. Oh and perhaps this would be a good support for surveillance cameras. None of those witnesses would probably be willing or able to testify as to the licence plates of the vehicles.
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255458
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Gone
Er... it's actually much less to do with the economic earning potential of your children and rather to do with passing on the family name. One of the very big fears is your particular branch of the family dying off. A failure to do so is in essence letting down all the ancestors before you.
This isnt the 1600s anymore, even in China woman can still have a child without being married or keep her family name. And frankly people dont care as much about their family heritage and such as they used to. While Im sure that is a large part of it (and frankly its easier to imagine thats the reason why as it dehumanises the people who do this and makes them harder to relate to) but at the end of the day I think the primary reason is fiscal. Girls cost more, earn less respect, and make less money.
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Post by
Patty
No hes right, I used to date a girl born in China, and if you read some of the stories that happen they do treat their kids pretty %^&*ed up. You wanna play PC police and pretend every culture on the planet is the same then feel free. But its not the way things are, yes no culture is perfect, but some are a lot more $%^&ed up than others.
In fact, there are incentives in place to have girls in China, seeing that as a result of the 1 child rule there was a surplus of male offspring, and far fewer daughters in a family unit. It's more in rural and more old-fashioned areas that there is a favour of boys over girls, really.
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pikeyboy
I can only speak for myself. If I see a situation where help is required, I help. I can't fix the entire world, and even if I had lots of money, it wouldn't be enough, though I would share it, unhesitatingly. I have risked blood transmitted diseases giving first aid to people, and would do so again. There are different circumstances, and different cultural norms in different places, that's unquestionably true. Doctors and Nurses perform "triage"; we even do it in the virtual world we all enjoy playing in, where there is no consequence if somebody dies in game. I cannot say that I would never make an impossible choice, where no decision would be "right" or perfect, because I would be forced to make that choice, and I would make it. Given the triage scenario, helping who you can, is better than helping nobody, but that wouldn't really help emotionally.
MyTie, I find your references to Fascism disturbing. It was a very popular political movement in the first half of the 20th century, and although a lot of people "didn't know" later, people did see each other as worthless, or as "subhuman/untermenschen", and did believe that racial/eugenical war was a positive thing. We all know what happened. That's why we remember, and say "Never Again!". Your characterization of people in other societies as "more animalistic" is just wrong. We are exactly the same, and all of us are animals. Ask any biologist. Yet we do have choices available, so...
Everybody. The next time that you see somebody in need of help, whatever the situation, stop and help. Talk to them. Treat them.
Take the initiative.
Say no to suffering through poverty. Say no to bullying. Say no to ignorance, and walking on by. You may get hurt. You may get ridiculed. You might end up with problems with the police, or government. You may have to share your food, or accommodation, and have a little less yourself, but it's the only way forward that I can see. Otherwise, I don't think that the currently accepted implications of concepts like "civilization" or "development" mean anything. As many people here will know, I am not religious, yet Mahatma Ghandi springs to mind: when asked what he thought about Christianity, he replied "Yes! I think it is an excellent idea! Somebody should try it!" I think the same principle applies to these kind of situations.
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MyTie
MyTie, ... Your characterization of people in other societies as "more animalistic" is just wrong. We are exactly the same, and all of us are animals. Ask any biologist. Yet we do have choices available, so...
When did I say people in other societies are "more animalistic"? I think you are misattributing this to me:But lets face it, there are still parts of our world where people are still very much "animalistic" in nature.
Post by
Sinespe
We are exactly the same, and all of us are animals. Ask any biologist.
Already have. We're not classed as animals.
Post by
gamerunknown
Already have. We're not classed as animals.
Which? We're a species of great apes, to be precise.
Some may distinguish us from other animals, but others would say that's speciest (or specious) Platonic thinking (Dawkins in particular, since he's a member of the great ape project).
Post by
pikeyboy
Apologies MyTie, I was tired, and in a rush!
Post by
MyTie
Apologies MyTie, I was tired, and in a rush!
No problem. Happens to me all the time.
Post by
Morec0
Reminds me of that time in America a guy was hit by traffic and nobody moved to help him. They looked at him, but for the longest time he just lied in the middle of the street.
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