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Post by
OverZealous
Once again "agree with me or your dumb" the atheist mentality at work
I don't mean to sound offensive, and I have attempted to remain neutral throughout this thread while at the same time giving my viewpoints, but that is bull@#$%.
The "Agree with me or you're dumb" mentality, as you call it, has nothing to do with atheism. Period.
Most people in this thread (perhaps with the exception of the occasional troll) have been calling someone else stupid or dumb or moronic (the list goes on...) at one point, not just the atheists.
I
do not
consider you dumb for not agreeing with me.
I
do not
consider anyone dumb for not agreeing with me,
unless
I have presented unquestionable, factual evidence. In this case, it is not yet possible. I am certain that a man in the sky does not exist in any shape or form, and I consider for example Christianity's base beliefs illogical, yes.
But neither I nor most other atheists consider anyone dumb for not agreeing with us.
I do
, however, get really pissed by generalizations.
"Yeah atheists are like AGREE WITH ME OR U DUMB LUL" <-- Some might say it, but most atheists really,
really
don't. So now, please drop that.
Post by
Gone
So there are a lot of deaths caused by the mafia in Russia, does that mean that all russians are criminals? Again all the killings you see in the middle east are by extremists, it is against their laws. Im not responding to the rest because it is just us arguing in circles about proving our own sides and such. like I said im done for the day, im too tired for this !@#$Did I say all Muslims are murderers? No, of course not. There are progressive Muslims, ones who pick and choose which verses to take as truth based on better morality, but in the Middle East at least, those are the minority. The vast majority of Muslims do agree that death is an appropriate punishment for apostasy and honor killing
is
a major problem. It may be extrajudicial (at least outside of theocracies like Iran), but it is mostly ignored by the resident governments.
Again, I urge you to read about the issue. Try Salman Rushdie's
The Satanic Verses
or Ayaan Hirsi Ali's
Infidel.
Both are former Muslims, and both have been threatened with death dozens of times.
I would say it has less to do with the majority outright participating, and most simply just don't have a problem with it. Sort of like Naz1 Germany. I don't think most Germans actually wanted to throw a Jew in a fire, but they sure as hell didn't do anything to stop it.
Thats completley different, honor killings are against arab laws, its not like the Nazis where it was the goverment. Its a group of extremists doing this %^&*, not the goverment.
Also
Im done for the day
/kicks self
Post by
Azazel
Agreeing with OverZealous here, just because you're religious doesn't mean you're dumb. And I'm a core atheist.
Post by
Gone
Thats weird, idk why my post went through twice...
Anyway in my experience religious people think that atheists dont beleive as they do, because of a lack of understanding or or knoledge.
Atheists in my experience think that religious people dont beleive as they do, because of a lack of logic or inteligence.
I agree though generalisations are stupid, this is just going by my experience.
EDIT: now i really am out for the night caus im going into a raid then heading to bed
Post by
OverZealous
Drawing conclusions from experience is a good move in many cases, but this really isn't one of them. At the very least, state that it is a conclusion drawn from own experience, and you'll avoid hostility from many posters, particularly atheists, in this case.
Post by
Adamsm
Drawing conclusions from experience is a good move in many cases, but this really isn't one of them. At the very least, state that it is a conclusion drawn from own experience, and you'll avoid hostility from many posters, particularly atheists, in this case.
Though to be fair, does that mean we of the religious persuasion have to take the hostility that some atheist posters enjoy pumping out?
Post by
TheMediator
Thats weird, idk why my post went through twice...
Anyway in my experience religious people think that atheists dont beleive as they do, because of a lack of understanding or or knoledge.
Atheists in my experience think that religious people dont beleive as they do, because of a lack of logic or inteligence.
I agree though generalisations are stupid, this is just going by my experience.
EDIT: now i really am out for the night caus im going into a raid then heading to bed
So, instead of attacking the other sides intelligence, you're try to claim they are ignorant? I'm fairly sure most atheists came from some religion and their departure arose from having enough understanding to see that the faith itself wasn't consistent with what they perceived of the world.
It takes more knowledge to know two things don't match up than to assume that they do. The real issue is when people know deeply about a certain religion, and then bend it to match up with the world. That is the real problem and what atheists have issue with. See, atheists think that if you look at each religion as it is literally described in its holy texts, there would be no realistic way you would hold onto it. The attack on your "logic or intelligence" is because you warp (intentionally or otherwise) what is there to hang onto it, when you should be looking at all things objectively.
Post by
OverZealous
No, that's not what I mean either. If you're debating something with someone and that person decides to go all hostile and unfriendly on you, you're definetly allowed to come back at him/her, no matter what side you're on.
Stating that you've drawn a certain conclusion from your own experiences might stop hostility before it even starts, though, which is generally beneficial in a debate on a subject as sensitive as belief and religion.
I might be overly optimistic, though.
Post by
Adamsm
Stating that you've drawn a certain conclusion from your own experiences might stop hostility before it even starts, though, which is generally beneficial in a debate on a subject as sensitive as belief and religion.
I might be overly optimistic, though.
Heh, you are; personal experience isn't enough for some people; they need 'rational' behind it.
Post by
Squishalot
When is the last time you've seen a door to door atheist? Seen an atheist standing on a literal soapbox in a park shouting at you about how wrong you are and the reprecussions of your false viewpoints? The last time one of your friends told you to come to an atheist meeting of some sort? The last time someone slid something under your door asking you to consider what your life would be like as an atheist? So on, so on, so on.
Count how many religion threads on Wowhead attempt to push the point that religion / Christianity is wrong, compared to the number that attempt to push the point that Atheism is wrong.
I can say without any reasonable doubt that it is an objective FACT that religious folk push their viewpoints more than others.
Wrong. More religious folk push their viewpoints than others, only because there are more religious folk over there in the US, so it stands to reason that you will get more religious advertising, simply based on numbers. Just like you'll get more atheistic advertising here on Wowhead.
Post by
TheMediator
About the difference in numbers of religious vs non-religious people, that is a good point. Have to adjust for population differences. Still, I feel pretty safe in my claim. Until there is a Jehovah's Witness equivalent for atheists, I think religious folk will always maintain the lead in that regard.
Post by
Squishalot
Arguably, as long as Richard Dawkins is around, religious folk are well behind, at least if you include the amount of advertising via media.
Post by
TheMediator
Arguably, as long as Richard Dawkins is around, religious folk are well behind, at least if you include the amount of advertising via media.
Eh. Obviously he's a bit of a chatterbox, but he's only one guy.
Post by
Squishalot
Jehovah's Witnesses are only one denomination, just like Hillsong is only one church group and Al-Qaeda is only one Islamic group. The vast majority of people, both religious and non-religious, are generally OK to deal with.
This whole thread suffers from people over-generalising on both sides of the equation.
Post by
Monday
I seem to see atheists being a lot more preachy of late than your average person of faith.
See, the thing is, unless an atheist is being preachy, you don't even know he's an atheist. You assume he's an "average person of faith" because he doesn't say anything otherwise and you're raised to believe that is so.
The only sensible test is looking at the preachy-ness of preachy religious folk and preachy atheists. I think you'll agree that preachy religious folk are much more preachy than preachy atheists. If you don't agree... **** you're dumb. I'm not sorry to say that either; it would be negligent of me for you to say you disagree with that statement and not tell you how dumb that makes you look.
Well I do disagree, and no im not dumb, and fyi you make yourself look pretty dumb saying that.
If I look at a random person whos not being preachy, I make no assumptions about them, I sont assume they are religious or an atheist. And yes Atheist people who are preachy, especialy on the internet, seem to me to be 10x more preachy than religious people.
"You either agree with me or your dumb" Thank you for proving my point about the atheist mentality
When is the last time you've seen a door to door atheist? Seen an atheist standing on a literal soapbox in a park shouting at you about how wrong you are and the reprecussions of your false viewpoints? The last time one of your friends told you to come to an atheist meeting of some sort? The last time someone slid something under your door asking you to consider what your life would be like as an atheist? So on, so on, so on. I can say without any reasonable doubt that it is an objective FACT that religious folk push their viewpoints more than others. That should be fairly obvious to you anyways. Either you are actually dumb, or you're intentionally ignoring it to try to hold onto your otherwise invalidated point.
Actually I have had this happen to me multiple times. Just outside Temple Square on LDS General Conference days is their favorite spot.
Post by
Heckler
I've quite literally
never
had an atheist ever approach me. I think I get an average of 1-2 interactions with religious missionaries per week though. In order, I would say Mormons are the most common, Jehovah's witness 2nd, and various protestants next. Never been approached by a Catholic I don't think... I'm probably a bit ahead of average because they love to stroll around the campus of my Univ. Probably see one door-to-door per month, and I probably find 4-5 notes on my doorknob per month.
Post by
569307
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Post by
ExDementia
Jehovah's Witnesses are only one denomination, just like Hillsong is only one church group and Al-Qaeda is only one Islamic group. The vast majority of people, both religious and non-religious, are generally OK to deal with.
This whole thread suffers from people over-generalising on both sides of the equation.
It's not just Jehovah's Witnesses though. I don't think groups in Australia do it anything like so many groups do here in America.
We have Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons mainly that go door to door, then from various sects of Christianity, people will be on the street corner, or out in front of stores handing out flyers or pamphlets on their religion or about their church.
I've never been to Australia, but I don't think this is as common there.
To support what others have said here, you NEVER see atheists going door to door or handing out flyers or anything. Or at least I have never seen it. It is certainly less common.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this. But I will say some of those guys that come to my door or that I see on the street walking to or from my car, go on and on forever about their religion or asking me about mine. They are very nice people but it gets tiring when they're all over the place.
Post by
Monday
To support what others have said here, you NEVER see atheists going door to door or handing out flyers or anything. Or at least I have never seen it. It is certainly less common.
And I've seen them do it, quite often. For some reason, Utah is a hotbed for stuff like that. Either them or the evangelicals trying to convince me that the world was going to end.
Post by
ExDementia
To support what others have said here, you NEVER see atheists going door to door or handing out flyers or anything. Or at least I have never seen it. It is certainly less common.
And I've seen them do it, quite often. For some reason, Utah is a hotbed for stuff like that. Either them or the evangelicals trying to convince me that the world was going to end.
Strange. I've never seen it happen. I don't really spend much time around Utah though :P
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