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Azazel
O.o
I just had a dream tonight that I was attacked by zombies. On a mountain. That had a railroad for some reason.
And I thought it couldn't get any creepier...
Story of my life.
Now you mention it, I believe I was a girl in my dream.
Oh god I don't even do drugs yet.
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Post by
Murrdurr
Zombie stuff is cool, but I hate the way some movies / shows / whatever take it. Zombies should not be able to run, for instance. I swear to god, if there ever is a zombie apocalypse and I see zombies running or jumping fences, I'm just gonna lie down and let them have me. Anyway, some of my favorite zombie things -
Dawn of the Dead (2004)
Zombieland
Dead Rising / Dead Rising 2
Hunter: The Reckoning / World of Darkness
I agree, the Zombies like in Night of the Living Dead is how I see Zombies if for some reason we come to that point. They are rotten corpses with no brain, how can they comprehend running very fast with no brain. If this is a disease that turns humans into "zombies" then ok I can see that, but if were talking about corpses rising from their graves then I think we are all going to have a good ol fashion zombie bashing.
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Skreeran
I am not a huge zombie fan. I've recently begun exploring the backbone movies of the genre (Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, and 28 Days Later), but I am not an ardent lifelong follower of the genre. Rather, I am tentatively exploring it.
To start off, let me explain that I love science, know a great deal of science, relatively speaking (compared to, say Hawking, I know very, very litle science, but compared to another 12th grader, I know a whole lot), and soft science or bad science kills my immersion in any serious movie or game (the biggest reason I hated
Wanted!
, for example, was not because of its stupid plot or its bad acting, but reason it's hard ignorance of the laws of physics while trying to be a serious movie).
To put it simply, most zombies are implausible. Zombies rising from the dead and feasting on the flesh of the living until they fall apart 2 years later is
just not going to happen
. The scenario is implausible from a logistical and tactical standpoint, but also from a thermodynamic and biological standpoint. Without flowing blood and working organs, the human body just can't function. We don't eat food and pump blood because it's fun, but because ATP needs to get to our cells or we can't move. Living dead zombies are simply implausible.
That's why I like the zombies from 28 Days Later and Left 4 Dead (the trash mobs, not the mutated ones). They're not dead, they simply have a disease that makes them hyperaggressive. They still have to eat, sleep, and perform the rest of the biological functions that keep us moving around. If there were ever going to be a zombie apocolypse, it's not going to be the living dead we're going to be running from, but the angry living.
That said, if I had to choose an implausible zombie as my favorite, I'd probably say the necromorphs from Dead Space. Implausible as hell (Where do I start? Their implausibly fast turning time? Their ability to grow huge amounts of flesh and bone without having to eat mountains of food? The extraordinary ability of a single species of bacteria to manipulate human anatomy specifically into dozens of different specialized forms? ), but quite fun to kill.
Post by
gnomerdon
I can always hope it will happen. ;) I look forward to zombies attacking us. I'll be happy to be on any side too.
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240140
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Azazel
Achy-breaky-Eluras-heart.
Post by
Skreeran
I am not a huge zombie fan.
You're breaking my heart.I didn't say I'm not a zombie fan at all... :P
My dad is a huge zombie fan. I've been looking into the genre, and what I've found isn't bad, it's just not my favorite type of horror movie... :P
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gnomerdon
D:
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240140
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gnomerdon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-RNV8D6aYM&feature=related
got me into zombies
Post by
Azazel
Not Ready To Die
Post by
Skreeran
Pff, it's not about movies. It's my dream. But you also prefer the realistic zombie, so that's nice.Heh, I prefer realistic everything, unless it's done for Rule of Funny... :P
Post by
Patty
We don't eat food and pump blood because it's fun, but because ATP needs to get to our cells or we can't move.
IIRC, most, if not all ATP produced, is used up by the cell it's been manufactured in. Particularly muscle and liver cells (for obvious reasons). I think what you mean is the electron acceptor (at the end of the ETC this is oxygen, of course) needs to get to our cells to maintain the proton gradient that maintains a high production of ATP, unless I'm wrong. Which would be derpy. Very derpy. In fact, the only ATP in the blood I'm aware of is from red blood cells, but I don't think they release enough to keep the whole body running.
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Skreeran
We don't eat food and pump blood because it's fun, but because ATP needs to get to our cells or we can't move.
IIRC, most, if not all ATP produced, is used up by the cell it's been manufactured in. Particularly muscle and liver cells (for obvious reasons). I think what you mean is the electron acceptor (at the end of the ETC this is oxygen, of course) needs to get to our cells to maintain the proton gradient that maintains a high production of ATP, unless I'm wrong. Which would be derpy. Very derpy. In fact, the only ATP in the blood I'm aware of is from red blood cells, but I don't think they release enough to keep the whole body running.Perhaps. I'm a little fuzzy on my cellular biology (I knew the crap out of it two years ago), but my point is, we don't have blood flow because "it sure is fun to have red, sticky stuff filling our body." Most people, when their blood stops flowing, stop working. Max Brooks explained that Solenum (which is actually the genus of Nightshade that potatoes belong to >.<) allows cells to not require oxygen, but oxygen is not the only thing that the blood carries. Cells need energy, and rather than getting that energy from the sun, like plants, we get it from stored chemical energy in food. If metabolism and circulation aren't occurring, no new energy is reaching the cells, and thus, they
should
, by all science, stop working.
Post by
Patty
We don't eat food and pump blood because it's fun, but because ATP needs to get to our cells or we can't move.
IIRC, most, if not all ATP produced, is used up by the cell it's been manufactured in. Particularly muscle and liver cells (for obvious reasons). I think what you mean is the electron acceptor (at the end of the ETC this is oxygen, of course) needs to get to our cells to maintain the proton gradient that maintains a high production of ATP, unless I'm wrong. Which would be derpy. Very derpy. In fact, the only ATP in the blood I'm aware of is from red blood cells, but I don't think they release enough to keep the whole body running.Perhaps. I'm a little fuzzy on my cellular biology (I knew the crap out of it two years ago), but my point is, we don't have blood flow because "it sure is fun to have red, sticky stuff filling our body." Most people, when their blood stops flowing, stop working. Max Brooks explained that Solenum (which is actually the genus of Nightshade that potatoes belong to >.<) allows cells to not require oxygen, but oxygen is not the only thing that the blood carries. Cells need energy, and rather than getting that energy from the sun, like plants, we get it from stored chemical energy in food. If metabolism and circulation aren't occurring, no new energy is reaching the cells, and thus, they
should
, by all science, stop working.
Unless there's a ridiculous amount of stored energy in the zombie's cells. Again, muscle cells and liver cells are the main stores of glycogen and fats, and the muscle cells are what will need to be moving. Then again, we're trying to apply biology to zombies, which is quite futile. ;)
Post by
Skreeran
But how long will a zombies muscles be able to continue functioning if they're eating themselves? It wold be similar to being chased by a crowd of slow moving starving people who've already used all their fat reserves. And that's assuming cell metabolism is still even functioning. If the organs aren't functioning, why are the nerves and muscle cells still functioning?
Edit:
And how about the brain? The brain doesn't store any energy, how does it keep functioning if the blood can't send delicious muscle energy to it?
I'm reminded of what I wrote on the TVTropes page for the Zombie Survival Guide:
There's still a problem though, unless Solenum causes a mutation that lets them defy the laws of physics. Even if their body maintains the biological processes to continue metabolism after death, Max Brooks outright states that zombie blood is congealed and stagnant. Even if the muscles are breaking themselves down, since the body's nutrient distribution system is broken,
they can only send those nutrients to themselves
. Normally the body expends its reserves first to keep the skeletal muscles and brain functioning (muscles are important, because if it just ate the muscles first, then the body would have no hope of saving itself from starvation). After all the reserves are used up, it reluctantly starts eating muscle tissue (as slowly as possible) to keep the brain running. However, when your brain can't get any of those delicious nutrients, how will it continue functioning? Unless Solenum lets the brain break the laws of thermodynamics, there's no way it should be able to continue to function.
Obviously I'm looking too far into it, but this is seriously half of what I do when I'm watching zombie movies or reading zombie books... :P Hence my preference of living zombies that make scientific sense.
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Patty
But how long will a zombies muscles be able to continue functioning if they're eating themselves? It wold be similar to being chased by a crowd of slow moving starving people who've already used all their fat reserves. And that's assuming cell metabolism is still even functioning. If the organs aren't functioning, why are the nerves and muscle cells still functioning?
Well, I don't know, but I'd imagine that in some way zombification involves the formation of an electrical impulse, along your nervous system, then making muscle contraction possible. Maybe that's why zombies need to eat; they ingest the remains of the living. Or, they use their victims' blood (generally victims seem to be bitten at a major vein or artery, in zombie flicks I've seen) to transport the victims' nutrients around themselves. Again, we're clutching at straws. :P
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