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Post by
Monday
Nice dodge.
Post by
UrAgahn
the early aggressions of Hillsbrad and Silverpine humans
Of course, farmers are such a threat to the modern society. And of course a handful of
neutral
magi in Silverpine posed a direct threat to the Bitсh Queen's reign.
Post by
Gone
Now I guess people want to get into a discussion about Lordaeron. The Forsaken have just as much a legitimate claim to it as the Alliance.
Do they have a claim to Gilneaus?
They suffered terribly at the hands of the Scarlet Crusade and the Alliance. The most notable was when Vishas tortured Vorrel Sengutz for weeks before stealing his wedding wing as a gift for his wife
You mean the same guy who sends you on a quest to go murder his torturers wife? An innocent bystander?
Post by
Neonhyper
This boils my blood. Ashenvale is Kaldorei forest, which means the Horde had no right to be there in the first place, and less right to be cutting down those trees.
She has done nothing wrong. It's her people's land, and she is defending it like a proper leader.
You really need to see things from the Horde POV. They just arrived in Kalimdor and they needed to make shelters for their friends and family. They see a forest full of huge trees. What do you expect them to do? Leave the forest and make homes out of dry dirt in the Barrens? No, the orcs did what they had to do for their countrymen and women. Tyrande is a sick menace for murdering people for wanting a better life and providing for their own. She could have opened diplomatic relations with the newcomers, but instead she chose bloodshed, like a barbarian savage.
I know the Horde has done some wrong, but people need to admit the Alliance really is no better. With Varian's genocidal aggression and Tyrande's mad zealotry, the Alliance can appear to Hordes and neutrals as a rather nasty lot.
I see it from the Horde Point of View.
But did you realize, the Horde didn't try to make peaceful negotiations. The Kaldorei owns Ashenvale, which means if the Horde wanted to start cutting down lumber, they should have asked. Did they? No. They just started cutting down trees.
If Mexico wants to start drilling out oil in U.S. territory, can they just go take their drills and start drilling? Should Mexico expect the U.S. to negotiate with them?
Of course not.
Mexico needs to initiate the negotiations. In such a way, the Horde shouldn't expect Tyrande to go trying make peace with the orcs -- who didn't even ASK before they started cutting down trees -- for desecrating her lands. Since. If you'll recall. Trees are REALLY important to the night elves.
Oh, did I mention the orcs killed Cenarius?
I think Tyrande has good enough reason to not like the orcs, and that she's not a complete monster because green-skinned aliens came tramping through her forests because they need wood without asking.
Post by
4dehorde
Your not even responding to all the points now... You know its not even good trolling its just kinda entertaining.
The only troll I see here is you. If you can't even respond to a debate with another arguement, you have no place here.
Of course, farmers are such a threat to the modern society. And of course a handful of neutral magi in Silverpine posed a direct threat to the Bitсh Queen's reign.
It doesn't matter if they are just farmers or mages (those mages were not neutral, they had Alliance loyalties). When they chose to attack the Forsaken and lynch their citizens, they started the conflict.
You mean the same guy who sends you on a quest to go murder his torturers wife? An innocent bystander?
Don't give me that. He gives you that quest on his freakkin' death bed after suffering for weeks at the hands of that monster. He has every right to be pissed.
Do they have a claim to Gilneaus?
Did the Alliance have a claim to the Southern Barrens?
Because everybody totally knew the Cataclysm was coming.
Actually, the Alliance captured Thrall on Varian's orders after the Catacysm. Do your research.
Sheesh even when I relent and comprimise you people are content to point all fingers at one side. Yeah, I'm the ignorant trolling fool here. As if.
Post by
UrAgahn
(those mages were not neutral, they had Alliance loyalties)
Does 'Kirin Tor' ring any bells? Or is Dalaran a Horde city all of a sudden?
If you can't even respond to a debate with another arguement, you have no place here.
No need to get rude, really.
Post by
Monday
If you can't even respond to a debate with another arguement, you have no place here.
You're ignoring anything you can't prove wrong, and then pretend you aren't. Ten to one you don't respond to this.
those mages were not neutral, they had Alliance loyalties
Dalaran was neutral.
and lynch their citizens
Did the Alliance have a claim to the Southern Barrens?
Timeline says Forsaken attacked Gilneas first.
To everyone else, if he/she ignores my points, I'm fairly sure we can assume he/she is trolling.
Post by
Gone
It doesn't matter if they are just farmers or mages (those mages were not neutral, they had Alliance loyalties). When they chose to attack the Forsaken and lynch their citizens, they started the conflict.
Thats like saying the undead who attacked the Horde and Alliance at the Wrathgate had Horde loyalties.
I would respond to teh rest but I have a raid to tank and my GM is yelling at me over vent, bb to kick more troll ass later!
Post by
Mojoworkn
You didn't answer my question :(
If I may ask 4dehorde, why are you only stating that the Alliance are "bad", without supplying us with any evidence that the Horde are equally as "bad"?
:D
Post by
lightnstuff
I prefer the term "counter-troll."
Post by
Monday
Actually, the Alliance captured Thrall on Varian's orders after the Catacysm. Do your research.
Logic, good sir, you need it. Orders cannot be transported instantly. Do you know how hard it would be to get people together, outfit them, send them off and have them arrive and have them capture Thrall
after the Cataclysm
? As in, when they need everyone possible to restore peace and rebuild?
Post by
4dehorde
Logic, good sir, you need it. Orders cannot be transported instantly. Do you know how hard it would be to get people together, outfit them, send them off and have them arrive and have them capture Thrall after the Cataclysm? As in, when they need everyone possible to restore peace and rebuild?
This is not open for discussion. Anyone who plays the goblin starter quests knows the Alliance captured Thrall after the Cataclysm. If you did and still say they didn't without lying, please look again. I am not discussing this any further. There really is nothing to debate when it is a proven fact.
"Helcular's Revenge" is a quest that shows one paticular instant where humans lynched a Forsaken citizen. He was not the only one.
You're ignoring anything you can't prove wrong, and then pretend you aren't. Ten to one you don't respond to this.
I can say the exact same for you and most everyone else here.
Oh, did I mention the orcs killed Cenarius?
The orcs killed him in self-defense. He was threatening to destroy them, and they fought back. That is what happened. How where the orcs supposed to know Ashenvale was sacred to the night elves? They were brand new to Kalimdor. If the night elves had explained their standpoint to the orcs, maybe they could have reached an understanding. But instead, the night elves started the regional conflict that persists to this day.
Does 'Kirin Tor' ring any bells? Or is Dalaran a Horde city all of a sudden?
Prior to Wrath of the Lich King, the remnants of the Kirin Tor were allied with the Alliance. Even after the rebirth of their city, the mages that remained behind in Alterac and Silverpine did not become neutral. They were plotting to join the doomed Alliance invasion, but then the Foraken removed them from the equation.
You didn't answer my question :(
Actually, I have shown numerous instances where both the Horde and the Alliance did wrong, but my goal here is to simply get people to see the Alliance is not any better. With leaders like Varian and Tyrande, the Alliance is heading down a dark road.
I just want people to flat out admit the simple truth: The Alliance has done some very bad things too.
Post by
lightnstuff
You didn't answer my question :(
Actually, I have shown numerous instances where both the Horde and the Alliance did wrong, but my goal here is to simply get people to see the Alliance is not any better. With leaders like Varian and Tyrande, the Alliance is heading down a dark road.
I just want people to flat out admit the simple truth: The Alliance has done some very bad things too.
I think it would make your argument a bit more understandable if you cited equal evidence from the horde.
Post by
Hellborne
Ok guys, I know it is fun to be superior, but I gotta say that we should really just ignore this and move on. Blind ignorance is hard to cure, I doubt we will change his view points, even if said view points have little to be backed up by. Honestly, we have thrown every logical point and counter-point, and most are just ignored.
Post by
UrAgahn
I just want people to flat out admit the simple truth: The Alliance has done some very bad things too.
And yet you ignore that this has been admitted SEVERAL times in this very thread.
/close
PS
"Helcular's Revenge" is a quest that shows one paticular instant where humans lynched a Forsaken citizen. He was not the only one.
He was Kel'Thuzad's apprentice, Light damn it.
Post by
Monday
"Helcular's Revenge" is a quest that shows one paticular instant where humans lynched a Forsaken citizen. He was not the only one.
He was with the Cult of the Damned.
Actually, I have shown numerous instances where both the Horde and the Alliance did wrong, but my goal here is to simply get people to see the Alliance is not any better. With leaders like Varian and Tyrande, the Alliance is heading down a dark road.
I just want people to flat out admit the simple truth: The Alliance has done some very bad things too.
/uberfacepalm. We all admitted that the Alliance has done bad things. We just want you to realize the Horde has done equally bad things. You seem intent to prove the Alliance worse than the Horde, which it isn't (and the Horde isn't worse than the Alliance, incidentally).
I can say the exact same for you and most everyone else here.
Like where? I responded to any points that I brought up.
This is not open for discussion. Anyone who plays the goblin starter quests knows the Alliance captured Thrall after the Cataclysm. If you did and still say they didn't without lying, please look again. I am not discussing this any further. There really is nothing to debate when it is a proven fact.
aka "I didn't realize there weren't phones in Azeroth so shut the &*!@ up"
Post by
Mojoworkn
You didn't answer my question :(
Actually, I have shown numerous instances where both the Horde and the Alliance did wrong, but my goal here is to simply get people to see the Alliance is not any better. With leaders like Varian and Tyrande, the Alliance is heading down a dark road.
NOW you're dodging my question. I am saddened.
/goodbye
EDITTED PS: I've been very reasonable and kind to you, just so you know. :)
Post by
Adamsm
Why are you even responding to him now? The guy is just the second coming of Taurenmoo; he has no points, no basis, just his own intense bias. Let him rant and rave and turn himself into a froth, as he's already proven he has no clue what he is talking about.
Post by
Monday
Why are you even responding to him now? The guy is just the second coming of Taurenmoo; he has no points, no basis, just his own intense bias. Let him rant and rave and turn himself into a froth, as he's already proven he has no clue what he is talking about.
Aye, I'm done with this.
Post by
4dehorde
Then goodbye and good riddance all of you. I have had enough of blind zealots. There are enough Scarlets already. Hopefully people who actually have logic or something to contribute will come along, instead of those so lost in their bias and ignorance they can't see past their own noses. Go preach your "Alliance is holy, Horde is evil" crap somewhere else and kindly leave me out of it. I'm serious you all are just like Coruth, lost in blind zealotry and hatred. I'm here to have a logical debate with sensible people who can accept views different than their own, and I now that I know no such tolerance exists in any of you, kindly leave this thread. Your inputs are no longer welcomed.
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