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Gone
No their sticking with the 1 book per season thing as far as I know. Im pretty sure Martins under contract now to finish the last two books before their respective seasons come out.
Post by
Gone
http://winteriscoming.net/2012/02/the-first-publicity-photos-from-season-two/
Some pics of the cast and such this season. they so ^&*!ing nailed Brienne, she looks just like how I always imagined.
Post by
Levarus
Stannis...I always imagined him WAYYY differently.
Post by
Patty
No their sticking with the 1 book per season thing as far as I know. Im pretty sure Martins under contract now to finish the last two books before their respective seasons come out.
I don't think this is confirmed, but there's been a lot of talk about splitting
aSoS
into two seasons, which makes sense.
So much
happens in that book, after all.
Post by
Monday
No their sticking with the 1 book per season thing as far as I know. Im pretty sure Martins under contract now to finish the last two books before their respective seasons come out.
I don't think this is confirmed, but there's been a lot of talk about splitting
aSoS
into two seasons, which makes sense.
So much
happens in that book, after all.
True. All the character jumping would ruin the flow of the show, in my opinion. What with all the stuff at King's Landing, Daeny and Jon...
Post by
Patty
I also think it's a good idea to split AFFC/ADWD into three seasons. Not only because AFFC focuses on Westeros and ADWD focuses on the north/across the sea, but also because of the point at which the timeline continues moving forward about 2/3 into ADWD. It's difficult to say until the sixth book comes out, though. However, the main point would be that if books are split into series - HBO should film however many series it is in one book in one go, as the actors are obviously going to be aging.
Post by
Levarus
I also think it's a good idea to split AFFC/ADWD into three seasons. Not only because AFFC focuses on Westeros and ADWD focuses on the north/across the sea, but also because of the point at which the timeline continues moving forward about 2/3 into ADWD. It's difficult to say until the sixth book comes out, though. However, the main point would be that if books are split into series - HBO should film however many series it is in one book in one go, as the actors are obviously going to be aging.
Totally agree.
Post by
Gone
IMO they should add some of Dannys footage from ASOS to season 2, she barly does anything in AKOK IIRC.
Also I heard they are spending a ton of money on the Battle of Blackwater. Maybe we will actually see tyrion use his axe this time. And IMHO they should name at least one episode of this season "Release the Kraken". Ironborn are so @#$%ing badass...
Post by
Levarus
Ironborn are weak, they failed a rebellion, managed to scrap off what little power they could off the Stark lands before yielding it to the Boltons, and now they're burning a farm here and there in the Reach...boo.
Post by
Patty
Ironborn are weak, they failed a rebellion, managed to scrap off what little power they could off the Stark lands before yielding it to the Boltons, and now they're burning a farm here and there in the Reach...boo.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the Ironborn. :D
Post by
Gone
Ironborn are weak, they failed a rebellion, managed to scrap off what little power they could off the Stark lands before yielding it to the Boltons, and now they're burning a farm here and there in the Reach...boo.
Yea its not like they conqured Deepwood Motte and Moat cailin in a single day. And its not like one of them managed to lure out the main defense of and then capture one of the strongest castles in Westeros with something like 30 men. Or catch Tywin Lannister, one of the most feared and powerfull lords there is, with his pants down and burn his entire fleet in his own port. And its definatly not like their skull &*!@ing the reach atm with enough ships to make the Tyrells soil their pants.
The Ironborn get a bad rap for two reasons. The first being that folks are emotionally invested in the Starks, in which case go take your case up with the Freys and Lannisters, caus they did more damage to that family than the Krakens ever did. And the second being Theons royal %^&* up at the end of ACOK. And frankly all of his self loathing and whimpering aside, Theon almost managed to pull off something pretty badass. He only messed up in the end because he let Bran and Rickon escape and couldnt use them as hostages. And who the hell is going to predict they would escape using magic wolves?
And lets not forget, they worship Cthulhu. Ironborn are every bit as hardcore as the Dothraaki, maybe more so. I mean PUHLEEZ, go read Victorians POV chapters and tell me that you dont have respect for the Ironborn? Most badass POV character in the series IMHO.
EDIT: and for the record they never yielded to the Boltons, other than that one group of 60 or so Theon talks down. Euron took them all out from the North to start raiding the reach, and possibly sail on Old Town or something.
Post by
Levarus
Theon Turncloak, or should I say Reek? He managed to take Winterfell and keep it for a day before getting flayed by Lord Ramsay. Nice.
Victarion, not Victorian, is okay, he failed the Kingsmoot to Euron, had his wife killed and raped by Euron, and is now sailing the seas to claim Daenarys Targaryen as his wife, who will most likely burn him to ashes with her dragons. Asha, the daughter of the kraken, has been taken by Stannis and now freezes in the Northlands, Krakens aren't meant to live through the torments of Winter on land.
I think the Ironborn are nothing but "Old Way" practicioners who cling to their obsolete doctrines and sail their salty seas raiding here and there, managing to take an undefended fort or village before claiming their share of salt wives and thralls. Once again, I say boo to the Ironborn.
Post by
Gone
Theon Turncloak, or should I say Reek? He managed to take Winterfell and keep it for a day before getting flayed by Lord Ramsay. Nice.
Theon would have been turncloak no matter what he did. Betray his family or betray his
captors
foster family? Anyway the only reason he lost WInterfell was because he had a soft spot for Bran and Rickon and didnt lock them in a dungeon and kill their wolves.
had his wife killed and raped by Euron
Not what happened.
Asha, the daughter of the kraken, has been taken by Stannis and now freezes in the Northlands, Krakens aren't meant to live through the torments of Winter on land.
Asha has been walking for miles on foot with a broken ankle and not saying boo, while Southron lords are freezing to death on their horses. Asha is plenty tough. Also you know the Iron Islands are part of the North as well right?
raiding here and there, managing to take
an undefended fort or village
before claiming their share of salt wives and thralls.
And by that I assume you mean half the North? And now the Reach? Even before the rebellion remember what the She Bear said "every child growing up on bear island learns to fear Krakens rising from the sea." I assume I dont have to remind you how tough the Mormonts are? Hell IIRC Robb and Theon were reasonably confident that the Ironborn could take Castley Rock. Even Balon said the same, but he doubted they would be able to
hold
Castley Rock.
I mean seriously, people are so quick to jump all over Theon and Victorions slip ups. but lets take a good look at the Starks that everybody seems to be so in love with.
Ned
- Never told Robert the truth about his children.
- Told Cersei he knew the truth about her children.
- Trusted Littlefinger to help him take the throne.
- Trusted Cersei to send him to the wall.
Robb
- Became King in the North rather than bending the knee to Stannis as his father would have done.
- Trusted Theon Greyjoy.
- Decapitated one of his most loyal bannermen.
- Never fully explained his plans to Edmure and had his trap for Tywn Lannister $%^&ed up.
- Married Jane Westerline and broke his pact with Walder Frey. (and yet nobody calls him oathbreaker)
- Ignored the last few warning signs from Grey Wind and sealed his fate at the Twins.
Cat
- Freed Jamie Lannister.
Jon
- Broke his vows with Ygritte, several times.
- Ignored the Red Womans warnings.
- Sent his most loyal friends away from Castle Black.
- Tried to use the wildlings as his own personal army and get himself involved in the realms wars by marching on Winterfell.
Once again, I say boo to the Ironborn.
Nothing wrong with that, we each have our opinions. But you didnt say boo, you said they were weak, which isnt the case.
Good God this may be one of the nerdiest posts Ive ever made...
Post by
Monday
Actually, the Ironborn are VERY weak, military wise. They have an excellent fleet, but their ground forces are woefully lacking.
Post by
Gone
Actually, the Ironborn are VERY weak, military wise. They have an excellent fleet, but their ground forces are woefully lacking.
Dosnt make them weak. Thats like syaing the Dothraaki are weak off of their horses, or the Dornish would be weak for not being able to fight in the snow. Their strength is at sea. And I wouldnt say VERY weak on ground, they still held all the castles they took untill the Kingsmoot and conqured half the North.
Post by
Levarus
They conquered half the north because it was undefended, their fleet is definetly strong, but I'm sensing that dragons will just burn them. Although Euron DOES have that Valyrian horn.
Post by
Patty
Actually, the Ironborn are VERY weak, military wise. They have an excellent fleet, but their ground forces are woefully lacking.
Dosnt make them weak. Thats like syaing the Dothraaki are weak off of their horses, or the Dornish would be weak for not being able to fight in the snow. Their strength is at sea. And I wouldnt say VERY weak on ground, they still held all the castles they took untill the Kingsmoot and conqured half the North.
But that's the point. They're crippled by their lack of diversity. Which makes them weak when played to their disadvantages.
Post by
Monday
Actually, the Ironborn are VERY weak, military wise. They have an excellent fleet, but their ground forces are woefully lacking.
Dosnt make them weak. Thats like syaing the Dothraaki are weak off of their horses, or the Dornish would be weak for not being able to fight in the snow. Their strength is at sea. And I wouldnt say VERY weak on ground, they still held all the castles they took untill the Kingsmoot and conqured half the North.
But that's the point. They're crippled by their lack of diversity. Which makes them weak when played to their disadvantages.
^
Crippling overspecialization DOES make one weak.They conquered half the north because it was undefended, their fleet is definetly strong, but I'm sensing that dragons will just burn them. Although Euron DOES have that Valyrian horn.
This ^
Post by
Gone
They conquered half the north because it was undefended, their fleet is definetly strong
The North was undefended because Robb left it undefended. Having weak leadership effects an armys strength just as much as versitility. Winterfell was heavily defended and they managed to take it because Theon tricked Roderick and lured him and his forces away. Hes not some opritunist taking advantage of an undefended castle, he neutrilized the castles defences himself.
And their not really that weak on land tbh. They held every castle they took untill their forces got called away for the moot and the invasion of the reach. Not to mention they have raided Bear Island and the Riverlands for centuries. Raiding requires land battle just as much as naval expertise. Remember how suprised the Boltons were that only 60 men defended Moat Cailin? They thought there were hundreds there based on the resistance they had gotten.
Post by
Levarus
If anyone has ever played Risk, and found that late in the game there can be maybe 4 or 5 players that control most lands and are the most powerful, I like to equate those players to House Tyrell and other game-changers like this new self-styled Aegon the Conqueror, or House Martell. But I also like to equate that one annoying player who is in nearly every game who controls some small island like Hawaii or Japan who just goes around attacking random ports. That is House Greyjoy in the Game of Thrones.
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