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Do Dk's still get ridiculed purely for playing their class?

Post by Drunkenvalley

People's attitude toward you is directly proportional to how you play and not the class you roll.

You wish. >>

Post by Trishi

I get get called "OP" when I tank on my DK. Prolly because I do a lot of random heroics and end up carrying people who just started heroic and I top the dps chart, damage done and insome cases healing as I solo bosses 30%-40% after everyone else dies. People's attitude toward you is directly proportional to how you play and not the class you roll.

Tell us something we don't know. Most bosses doesn't require more than average intelligence to heal through without a healer. Haven't seen the video with a DK soloing Ozruk AND slaphide, at the same time?

This is Blizzard at work. We are on par with the other tanks in raids, but in heroics, we can pretty much make healers redundant with sufficient skill and gear. Their sense of balance is so shrewed I can't even tell if they are aware of the existance of non-raid activity. Try leveling through the dungeon finder in Wrath. That's so ridiculous it's not even funny. I tagged along with a DK yesterday, at level 71, he was able to do without a healer throughout Utgarde Keep and The Nexus. First dungeon because the healer DC'd, and we decided to wait (Turned out he didn't return), and the second because the healer got mad after the pull before the grand mage, and decided to not heal. We killed the boss, and continued through the whole dungeon without a healer, no problem. And this were with a group consisting of a DK, a Hunter, a Warrior, and a Mage.

I actually went as far as to post a ticket on the matter, wondering if this was really intended, and the only answer I got was:

"We are aware of some minor balancing issues in lower level dungeons, but we wish to focus more on the end-game balancing, as that is where balancing the classes and specs matters the most."

I could do nothing but laugh. Minor? Minor? Yeah right. And I still call BS on his point, because of the way your skills scale. Don't tell me it isn't possible to tweek their abilities at that level to make more balanced compared to the rest of the tanks. As it is right now, DKs in Wrath content are litterally tanks, who simply press auto-move, and steamroll through the dungeons without breaking a sweat. I really wish I were kidding.

Why DKs are the only tanks capable of taking on 85 Heroic bosses without a healer? I have no idea. But I don't exactly mind either.

Funny, actually, because the main boss I tank without a healer is typically the first boss in Tol'vir. Ironically, it usually leads to the healer screaming something along the lines of: "Omfg, noob", before leaving. I have yet to experience a wipe on that boss when I tank it with my Death Knight, but some people seem to have issues with positioning.

Post by Drunkenvalley

Oh god. First boss in Tol'vir seems to have a frigging kill-everyone button. All my allies die on it and repeatedly run back in, leaving me to tank it singlehandedly for long periods. >>

Post by Trishi

Oh god. First boss in Tol'vir seems to have a frigging kill-everyone button. All my allies die on it and repeatedly run back in, leaving me to tank it singlehandedly for long periods. >>

I love to use it as a test for guild mates. If they die on this boss, chances are they will die on pretty much any encounter which requires something remotely similar to intelligent positioning. All of his damage on the DPS or Healer are so easily avoidable, I have no idea how people even manage to get themselves killed. It's like they are actively trying to die.

Post by Drunkenvalley

I "fondly" recall having to write to the party to run back in while they were going "just wipe lol"

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Post by ducksaucer

If you are tanking you will be loved. Great survivability with this class and make life easy on heals. A unstressed healer can heal dps. Blood is probably the easiest tanking class also. its just two buttons.

I like to compare Blood to an Assassination Rogue. It appears to be two buttons at first, but if you look at a properly done priority you see things are much more complex. Balancing diseases, death strikes, Blade Barrier, etc. makes things about as far from two-buttons as possible, not including rune tap and actual cooldowns. I find it much less difficult to tank on say, a Warrior.

While this is true, I do need to say. Frost dps is a joke.

Class Video

My DK does only use like 3 buttons and I hold like 40k dps without much effort.

Post by Problimatic

My DK does only use like 3 buttons and I hold like 40k dps without much effort.

Frost dps is easy, though even without counting cooldowns, if you are using 3 buttons you are doing it wrong.

there is always gonna be that chance of a fail person hell i was in a dung and there was two warriors both in arms one with ilvl of 390 and the other 381 who you expect did the best dps the 381 warrior dominated the other. Or another example a a 367 frost dk dominate a 383 bm hunter. If you dont like the people you get teamed up with in a random then dont que randoms and just find ur own group of people problem solved.

Go look up the word "Dung" and be ashamed with yourself. And of course there are going to be people that don't do much dps that don't have gear, gear is simple to get. Just because someone valor capped for a few weeks doesn't mean they know anything about their class, and just because someone hit 85 doesn't mean they are cluless.

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Post by Problimatic

My DK does only use like 3 buttons and I hold like 40k dps without much effort.

Frost dps is easy, though even without counting cooldowns, if you are using 3 buttons you are doing it wrong.

Uhh..... other then my macro, that combines, pillar, potion of golem, and ghoul. I use give or take 3 buttons. I forget to use rune thing all the time.

Howling blast, plague strike, obliderate, frost strike, outbreak, blood tap, summon ghoul, dark sim, mind freeze, strangulate, death and decay, your dps trinket, pillar of frost, golemsblood potion, anti magic shell, and icebound fortitude are the minimum you should have readily keybound and know where they are. Other things like army of the dead are debatable as you don't want to fat finger your army key during the middle of say a lightning phase on Hagara. (Also: Protip if you aren't using blood tap very often as frost you aren't even close to maximizing yourself. )

I don't even see why this thread is still around, its really old and was answered when it was first introduced. The stereotype has indeed gone down, but it will ever be present along with things such as "huntards."

Post by ducksaucer

My DK does only use like 3 buttons and I hold like 40k dps without much effort.

Frost dps is easy, though even without counting cooldowns, if you are using 3 buttons you are doing it wrong.

Uhh..... other then my macro, that combines, pillar, potion of golem, and ghoul. I use give or take 3 buttons. I forget to use rune thing all the time.

Howling blast, plague strike, obliderate, frost strike, outbreak, blood tap, summon ghoul, dark sim, mind freeze, strangulate, death and decay, your dps trinket, pillar of frost, golemsblood potion, anti magic shell, and icebound fortitude are the minimum you should have readily keybound and know where they are. Other things like army of the dead are debatable as you don't want to fat finger your army key during the middle of say a lightning phase on Hagara. (Also: Protip if you aren't using blood tap very often as frost you aren't even close to maximizing yourself. )

I don't even see why this thread is still around, its really old and was answered when it was first introduced. The stereotype has indeed gone down, but it will ever be present along with things such as "huntards."

DnD isn't worth the rune vs. damage ratio, dropping it during any fight without multi adds (more then 2) is a waste of runes. mind freeze in raids? stangulate, only for trash pulls. I hardly plague strike, i never outbreak. I'm about 2-4k dps from world top 200. ilvl 392

Post by Problimatic

DnD isn't useful? I suppose thats why the rank 1 parse on Yorsahj for frost dks uses it: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/81sgwvwe40804pgv/details/6/?s=5161&e=5372

Mind freeze may not be needed this tier, but its best to know where your inerupt is, just in general. If you aren't using outbreak, you are doing it wrong, and I looked at your dks public logs like this one and you are a bit more off parsing than 2k. Plus you only have done normal mode kills.... So its not like parsing on one of those even matters. I got rank 15 on Alysrazor for a little bit on normal for the lulz on my dk, it wasn't hard. Please know what you are talking about before saying things are worthless

Post by Loetek

The problem is (and I see it first hand because I have a ten year old son that plays this) its a game and kids will play it. We have 12 year olds in our guild that all go to school together and some are good and some are bad.

Some of them just dont know how to gear or what abilities to use. Mostly because nobody tells them. And because typical kids could care less about numbers. They just want to play a class that can collect pets (like pokemon) like Hunters or a class that looks cool and has a cool name like DeAtHKnights. And since they really dont know how stats work they usually dont gear right. They just throw anything on thier toon they can and usually need on everything they can in random groups.

I've actually heard a grown man blowing up on a squeeky voiced kid (sounded like a girl but was a boy) on vent. Its ridiculous to do this over a video game. And pretty sad.

I try to help out the bad players by explaining the mechanics of the game to them so they dont get chewed out. Seems like hardly anyone else wants to do the same because "they're just dumb #%$ kids" forgetting that they were at one point dumb #%$ kids. But have now fully graduated to dumb #%$ adults that play video games and teach young impressionable kids to be #%$ holes to others.

The huntard and douchknight thing and name calling does very little. Mostly because that bad player isnt paying attention to the party chat when you are going off on them anyways.

Also we have turned a couple of bad players that were kids ignorant about game mechanics into great dps and tanks. They learn fast if you try and explain. And they have great reflexes.

So next time you see that hunter running around in a mix of cloth, leather and mail armor and half of it is healing gear and all of it is broken. Don't go agro on them plz. Explain to them what gear they should use and point them to a repair npc.

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Post by Zakkhar

Please refrain from talking about any other tank classess if you have little to no experience in these and by the statements you just made its kinda obvious...

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Post by Orranis

All a DK wants and needs to do is play the class as it was intended -=- as a hero class that can tear #$YWE%Y&W $%*#$% up.

lol I am trying to figure out what creativity came into that curse word.

A bit of history about myself: I was one of those "LETS MAKE A DK IMMEDIATELY" guys on wrath's release. Luckily for me, that is where my noobishness with the class ended as well (conceit). I played as blood from day one, thinking that any class or spec that heals simply by doing damage (bring back my 4% heal Blizzard!) was going to have one hell of a future. In T7 and T8 content I was constantly harrassed by my then guild mates (don't even ask how many guilds I've been in) simply due to the fact I wasn't a frost tank. Little did they realize that as a blood tank I was surviving fights in ways that shouldn't even be plausable.

Of course with the millions of patches, bug fixes, balancing acts, and finally Cataclysm, Blood became the defacto DK spec because of its self heals and durability. Tanking as a DK is far from "death strike and win" which was easily done in Wrath (lol I dare someone to challenge that one). With balancing our Runeforges for different situations, having to balance our evasion stats in a way that other tanks don't even pretend to do, using boss fight mechanics for giving ourselves the best heals and best bubbles, as well as using our cooldowns appropriately, for we have a whole bunch; Death Knights have a lot on their plate in order to become a high class tank, but if they manage, DK tanks are some of the most skilled players in the game.

Many might disagree with me, but I think that anyone who wants to be a better player, no matter what class, should attempt to master DK tanking and all its complexities.

Especially considering Blood was the unchallenged best tanking spec from Ulduar onwards by a pretty wide margin.

I don't get ridiculed for playing a DK but I still find a lot of people willing to jump on the "DK's are ridiculously OP and you're bad" bandwagon, even though that was Season Five. I recently beat a Sub Rogue in a duel (INORITE?) who claimed it was because DK's are wildly overpowered, and another time I was doing arena with a trade chat two's and I end up having to 1v1 a sub rogue and when I do he states that DK's counter sub rogues because of their DoTs. So while I haven't been straight up made fun of just for being a DK, there's still a lot of ignorance about the class.

Post by Zakkhar

I don't get ridiculed for playing a DK but I still find a lot of people willing to jump on the "DK's are ridiculously OP and you're bad" bandwagon, even though that was Season Five. I recently beat a Sub Rogue in a duel (INORITE?) who claimed it was because DK's are wildly overpowered, and another time I was doing arena with a trade chat two's and I end up having to 1v1 a sub rogue and when I do he states that DK's counter sub rogues because of their DoTs. So while I haven't been straight up made fun of just for being a DK, there's still a lot of ignorance about the class.
But he was right. DK can kite him indifinietly with ranged slow, while having him dotted (or/and attacking with pet) so he cant reset. You can even pillar hump with DnD all over.

Do Dk's still get ridiculed purely for playing their class?

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