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Post by
TheReal
You can actually share STDs, so they're not technically BoP. Also, Wowhead. Not WoWHead.
Answer me this: How do you intend to defeat the gold farmers who will undercut your prices? It's easy enough to do that, you know.
Hey how much for a stack of saronite ore?
14g
WTS Stacks of saronite ore 13.5g
Look in AH, stacks of saronite ore 13.5g.
You can't defeat someone who bots for 24hrs then undercuts everything regardless of price.
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Adamsm
Of course not, he's on the interwebz, where people make $%^& up all the time.
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TheReal
And because people have asked, the name of the guild that's being used in the test run is <STDs Are BoP>.
Not that I'm taking his side, but he did tell you.
If gold sellers are constantly having to combat the guild (which is a cut-off part of the larger economic community) then they will have to work harder for the same amount of gold which will make their prices go up. Eventually, the thinking behind this is that they will have raised their prices so much that people won't want to buy from them at all.
You make the assumption that gold sellers experience a shortage of gold. I'm going to assume here, but I bet they already steal more gold than they can sell before parts of their supply get shut off by Blizzard. 12 million players, and I guarantee 6 million of them don't a) visit WoW-related forums and b) have a shred of knowledge about how to protect their accounts. Every stolen account gets stripped and then forced to bot-gather for as long as it takes Blizzard to shut it down. You're not going to force gold sellers to raise their prices and even if you could, you wouldn't be able to force them to raise the prices enough that suddenly Joe WeekendRaiderFamilyMan60HoursPerWeekJob decides to farm instead of buying gold.
Post by
SirPunky
Cupid, you want that a
human
win the fight with the farm
bots
?
Keep dreaming.
Not to mention that 70% of the gold that they sell are from stolen accounts not from farming mats.
And when they are in your account:"WTS
Eternal Fire
200g per stack"
or even lower if they want to sell quick.
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Corehoundhunter
I like the idea and i think it would help.
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Post by
SirPunky
Gold farmers use bots (which usually get shut down within 48 hours) and sell auctions for cut down prices to make their gold.
The cost to buy WoW Classic, BC, and WotLK: $80+ (more after Cata)
The costs for man hours to get to level 80: Varies (around $160 estimate)
The cost to get new accounts and level characters so that the gold farmers can still use their bots to farm the materials they need, will surpass the amount of money their making from selling gold.
The cost in $ for gold farmers is 0(zero) because they use stolen accounts to farm.
You keep saying this:
If players are buying from the guild in stead of gold farmers' auctions
How will those player would make gold in the first place?
Farming mats and selling on AH undercuting each other.
So you don't fight only gold farmers you are trying to make a monopoly .
This system indirectly uses the help of Blizzard staff to shut down gold farmer accounts and IP ban bot users
Blizzard is baning accounts, not IP.
Post by
TheReal
OP: I'm not saying you're trying to rip people off. I'm also not saying you're not trying to rip people off. But your plan is doomed to fail because gold sellers have an unlimited supply. They will continue to strip stolen accounts and use them for botting. If they have to vendor 40 stacks of saronite ore because it's more profitable than undercutting the AH, they'll do it, and it's pure profit because they don't even really invest time into getting it. They're only limited by the number of computers they have and how many accounts those computers can multi-box with reasonable performance.
You'll do better to stop gold selling on your realm if you offer a free account security tip or two on /2 everyday. Found out who's buying gold and give them yours instead. Buy authenticators and offer to mail them to everyone on your realm (I'm sure Blizzard would love to be the middleman so players don't have to give away their address).
Again, props for an elaborate plan. Communism is an elaborate plan too, but we all know about East Germany and the USSR.
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kladde
1) Gold sellers don't have an unlimited supply of gold. If they did they wouldn't need to farm it... They're likely to have a larger reserve than your group, and enough to run you out of business.
2) If a stolen account is stripped, then the character wouldn't be used for botting because
a) No weapon. Trying to melee down several mobs with any class is pretty much out of the question as far as time and efficiency goes.
b) Stolen accounts aren't usually used for botting. Gold farmers have 80s (soon to be 85s) that dual box with bots. These show up mostly as legitimate accounts to keep Blizzard at bay. Keep in mind that a lot of characters are deleted after they're sucked dry. If they were to use a stolen character for farming, why would they strip it of its gear first?
3) Computers cost money. If Blizzard keeps doing they're job then the bot accounts will be IP banned (yes, they do that) and the people farming will have to buy a new one. But where do they get the money to buy said computer if they have no gold to sell? Ergo why this system helps get rid of gold farmers. We (for lack of better words) distract people from buying gold and give them the same (if not very close to the same) benefits as the gold farmers would without compromising their account. IP adresses aren't tied to the actual computer, so no, they won't need a new computer. Also I don't see how your system would have Blizzard combat gold sellers more successfully, they've been around for several years, I don't see them going away anytime soon.
5) Providing gold for the entire realm until their needs are met by myself is both absurd and humanly impossible. It simply can't be done.
6) I really don't have the real world money to spend to buy an upwards of 250+ players (conservatively) an account authenticator. I have much more important things to purchase other than a code scrambler for total strangers: like food & essentials for my family. Do the math, who would really do that? I'm not a fanatic against gold farmers I just want them to go away. By the looks of things I'm one of the only people who's tried something like this. Wtb slack?. I think that comment you're responding to was mostly about pointing out that if your intentions are truly altruistic it would be a better course of action. Though it might not be actually feasible, it would still be more effective than your proposal.
8) Just because gold farmers vendor their Saronite or whatever they've farmed because it's more profitable is irrelevant. Because the guild system can undercut the vendors if need be. So either way the gold farmers will eventually /ragequit. This isn't monopolizing, it's (for lack of better description) economical retaliation/combat. Again, I don't think you would have enough resources to be able to combat the gold selling organizations at their own game. Like others have pointed out, they have automated farming, while you have actual humans doing the hard work. It's simply not realistic to compete on their terms.
At any rate, this system is the best I've seen that's even come close to effectively combat gold farmers and that whole enterprise.
Think of it this way: What if you logged on and you never saw a gold farmer spamming their price for gold? After that the only thing that would need to really be fixed is Alliance trade/Barrens chat. However I don't think I'm the person for the job...
Personally I haven't seen gold seller spam in quite a long time, there are several addons availible that block them out from the chat effectively.
Post by
TheReal
OP: I'm not saying you're trying to rip people off. I'm also not saying you're not trying to rip people off. But your plan is doomed to fail because gold sellers have an unlimited supply. They will continue to strip stolen accounts and use them for botting. If they have to vendor 40 stacks of saronite ore because it's more profitable than undercutting the AH, they'll do it, and it's pure profit because they don't even really invest time into getting it. They're only limited by the number of computers they have and how many accounts those computers can multi-box with reasonable performance.
You'll do better to stop gold selling on your realm if you offer a free account security tip or two on /2 everyday. Found out who's buying gold and give them yours instead. Buy authenticators and offer to mail them to everyone on your realm (I'm sure Blizzard would love to be the middleman so players don't have to give away their address).
Again, props for an elaborate plan. Communism is an elaborate plan too, but we all know about East Germany and the USSR.
Several things I found wrong in this...
1) Gold sellers don't have an unlimited supply of gold. If they did they wouldn't need to farm it...
The bot farming is what creates the nearly limitless supply of gold. Even though right now they may only have 2,000,000 gold on your realm, tomorrow they'll have another 100,000 or so. They keep their supply above the demand to avoid running out and keep the real money flowing in.
2) If a stolen account is stripped, then the character wouldn't be used for botting because
a) No weapon. Trying to melee down several mobs with any class is pretty much out of the question as far as time and efficiency goes.
b) Stolen accounts aren't usually used for botting. Gold farmers have 80s (soon to be 85s) that dual box with bots. These show up mostly as legitimate accounts to keep Blizzard at bay. Keep in mind that a lot of characters are deleted after they're sucked dry.
a) Right, because no one speed hacks under the map to every node that might be up. Protip: you don't need a weapon or armor to speed hack and gather.
b) - I can only provide anecdotal evidence myself, but I've seen several different 80s speed hacking around Wintergrasp mining and gathering herbs. I've seen 80s in full T10, and I've seen 80s in the nude. I've also seen a few level 66 toons. There isn't a standard "dis is wut u do after u hackz account" procedure.
3) Computers cost money. If Blizzard keeps doing they're job then the bot accounts will be IP banned (yes, they do that) and the people farming will have to buy a new one. But where do they get the money to buy said computer if they have no gold to sell? Ergo why this system helps get rid of gold farmers. We (for lack of better words) distract people from buying gold and give them the same (if not very close to the same) benefits as the gold farmers would without compromising their account.
IP addresses are a dime a dozen. I can set up my Internet connection to connect through any of about a million free proxy servers, meaning I can appear at any time to have one of a million different IP addresses. An IP ban effectively means absolutely nothing.
4) I'd rather spam advertisements for my system every 6 hours than spam "hey do (a), (b) & (c) to keep gold farmers from ripping you off! :D". How long do you really think it would be before I got the "omg... stfu" feedback?
You're right. You would eventually get OMG STFU. Keep doing your thing though. Do you know how many people never would have achieved greatness if they had quit at the first negative word? As a matter of fact, I'm going to follow my own advice and start spamming a new account security tip every day on my realm. If I save one person's account, it's already done more than your system claims to do.
5) Providing gold for the entire realm until their needs are met by myself is both absurd and humanly impossible. It simply can't be done.
6) I really don't have the real world money to spend to buy an upwards of 250+ players (conservatively) an account authenticator. I have much more important things to purchase other than a code scrambler for total strangers: like food & essentials for my family. Do the math, who would really do that? I'm not a fanatic against gold farmers I just want them to go away. By the looks of things I'm one of the only people who's tried something like this. Wtb slack?
Your entire realm buys gold?
The point of my suggestions was that your proposal is going to do absolutely nothing to curtail the efforts of gold sellers. If you give someone 5000g from your own pocket just once or send one person an authenticator, you'll have already done more to combat gold selling than your system is capable of doing on its own.
8) Just because gold farmers vendor their Saronite or whatever they've farmed because it's more profitable is irrelevant. Because the guild system can undercut the vendors if need be. So either way the gold farmers will eventually /ragequit. This isn't monopolizing, it's (for lack of better description) economical retaliation/combat.
Yes, yes it is relevant. You'd still be offering saronite ore for 10g/stack (or whatever), and the gold sellers would still be selling 1000g for $4. Someone without the gold reserves to get all the saronite ore they want isn't going to come to you because you're not offering the product they need.
Post by
Magician22773
I think I said this back on page one, but I will say it again, and condense it even more...
Gold sellers do not rely on bot farming and AH control for their gold. THEY STEAL ACCOUNTS.
Your system does little to nothing to stop the real problem. Authenticators DO. If you want to really put an end to gold farmers, strongly encourage everyone you know to buy an authenticator.
If you really want to do what you propose, by all means, go for it. If it makes the game more enjoyable for you, then thats all that matters. I just think your premise that this system will somehow stop gold spammers is flawed.
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