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Pride?

Post by cloudp

So, the two only answers that are for your oppinion are the only valid ones? How many points from what I said did you actually read? Did you read the one where I said Druids are better supporters too? Or the one where I said multiple situations possible?

You're not helping the thread's productivity. At all.

Post by goshadstep2lose

Also, goshadstep2lose, how is an arms warrior a better flag carrier than a druid, if there's no healers?
I can understand if he were prot.
At least maybe goshadstep2lose can provide me with his almighty insight into this?

Pros of druids:
Shift out of snares and stuns
Can heal self
Can move at 40% speed
Has feral charge if feral(I am feral)
Can shapeshift into bear for good survivability
Can root people 3 times with no cast time with one button
Barkskin is -20% damage
Survival instincts is extra health on demand
Barkskin glyphed is -25% chance to crit

Tell me how a warrior is better, I insist.wooooosh

you hear that?
that is the sound of my post going over your head

Post by 459833

This post was from a user who has deleted their account.

Post by tuckmuck203

Just because I ignored the point you posted, because I had already responded to it, doesn't mean that I missed the point of your post goshadstep2lose.

I wasn't QQing. Why would I need justification from random strangers on the internet for something I already knew? And cloudp, no. The only answers that I got happened to be of my oppinion. The other answers are all just
LOLQQ U MAD BRAH?

Any further posting here is meaningless.

Post by Monjaru

Any posting here was meaningless in the first place.

As some people pointed out, and you pretty well confirmed, your only question in all this was: Why do people do stupid things?

This question has nothing to do with PvP. Or WoW, for that matter. Therefore, QQ or not, it has no place on this forum. If you really want the answer to that question, try asking your parents. I'm sure they can come up with something to make you happy.

Post by goshadstep2lose

Just because I ignored the point you posted, because I had already responded to it, doesn't mean that I missed the point of your post goshadstep2lose. double woooooosh

what does it mean?

I wasn't QQing.no its not, the OP is completely aware of all the reasons that the warrior would have picked up the flag. This thread is simply an outlet for his frustration and an attempt to seek validation through other posters (read: QQ)

Why would I need justification from random strangers on the internet for something I already knew? because people are constantly looking for validation in others

how about this, you give another reason as to why you would post this

And cloudp, no. The only answers that I got happened to be of my oppinion. The other answers are all just
LOLQQ U MAD BRAH?

Any further posting here is meaningless. obvious biases are painfully obvious

Post by tuckmuck203

It's so useless posting here, then why did you post here, and contribute nothing that hasn't been said except "ask my parents"?

Attacking my age. Always a logical choice.

For all you know, I'm a 57 year old millionaire with three kids.

Edit: Didn't see goshads post til I had hit enter.

A:I did post another reason as to why I posted here. I posted it several times if I remember correctly. Also, I had even told people to just ignore the story.

Guess you jsut chose to ignore that bit huh?

Also..Bias...you use this word...i do not think it means what you think it means...

People saying it's a QQ post, when I explicitly stated otherwise, several times, even told people to ignore the story all together and answer the question I had asked, are not answering the question. It just so happens that the actual answers I got were on my side.

Post by goshadstep2lose

I did post another reason as to why I posted here. I posted it several times if I remember correctly. Also, I had even told people to just ignore the story.

Guess you jsut chose to ignore that bit huh?

Also..Bias...you use this word...i do not think it means what you think it means... bias:
a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of an argument. IE: when someone oversimplifies any arguments against their point, claims that the only relevant responses are the ones in direct agreement their own, and claims any further arguments against are inherently meaningless

I'd love for you to provide some support next time you accuse someone of misusing a word

People saying it's a QQ post, when I explicitly stated otherwise, several times. claiming that you aren't QQing, when its blatantly obvious that it is all you are doing, isn't a valid argument otherwise

It's simply denial

even told people to ignore the story all together and answer the question I had asked, are not answering the question. the OP is completely aware of all the reasons that the warrior would have picked up the flag. This thread is simply an outlet for his frustration and an attempt to seek validation through other posters (read: QQ)

It just so happens that the actual answers I got were on my side.
just from page 1:
Because it's not about who is the best to carry it back, it's about who is the best to have gotten to it and picked it up.Heck, maybe he was trying to go for an achievement.We don't know. We can't knowMaybe the warrior liked carrying the flag, and was having fun
he's having fun.Maybe he didn't think this, but a Druid is also a much superior supporter than a WarriorGuess you jsut chose to ignore that bit huh?
irony

Post by tuckmuck203

Wow.

There are so many problems with that.

A:
This isn't a QQ story, it was an example leading to my question the in the ORIGINAL POST that was asking why people do completely illogical things

Okay, regardless of my oppinion being biased, based on the (biased) facts I've stated, in your oppinion, why do you think this person did what he did?

B: I didn't oversimplify it. I stated exactly what happened. You choosing no tto believe it doesn't make it biased.

C: You took many of those posts from the same post to make it look like more things. (See? I can look at the psychological aspects too!)

D: I did say that there were a 2 answers that were well formulated and helpful didn't I? Maybe not in those exact words, but the gist of it was in one of my previous posts.

E: Many of those reasons are illogical, repetitive, or not helpful.

F:
irony

G: Don't say I'm doing it wrong, because I did the exact same thing you did. Unless of course you want to admit you're illogical?
Step by step process as to how I did it right.

1: List several things that are ironic.
2: Quote goshadstept2lose.

Post by Monjaru

It's so useless posting here, then why did you post here, and contribute nothing that hasn't been said except "ask my parents"?

Attacking my age. Always a logical choice.

For all you know, I'm a 57 year old millionaire with three kids. Only my post actually served a purpose, unlike all of yours. Your question is completely irrelevent to PvP (what this forum is supposed to be used for) and you obviously don't understand that considering you made this thread and continued it for 3 pages.

In other words: your posts have no reason to be here, and because they have no place here, my post is made relevent.

And I hardly "attacked" your age. I made a mild generalization based on your childish behavior. To be honest, maybe you are a 57 year old (you're not a millionaire, that much I can say with certainty) with 3 kids, but if you are, then you live quite a sad life chatting online all day asking MMO players why people do "bad things". Also, your children. I fear for their well-being. I think I'm calling child services.

Post by Orthis

Post by tuckmuck203

The purpose of your post was that my post about why people do stupid things in pvp shouldn't be in the the pvp forum? Okay. Anyway, I don't care. I'm done posting in this thread.

Edit: On second thought I'll see if I can be the one foretold in the prophecy of old, the one to finally beat goshadstep2lose. If he replies that is.

Post by goshadstep2lose

This isn't a QQ story, it was an example leading to my question the in the ORIGINAL POST that was asking why people do completely illogical things
Okay, regardless of my oppinion being biased, based on the (biased) facts I've stated, in your oppinion, why do you think this person did what he did? you need to learn how to format a proper response

I hope this wasn't your response to the but if it was-

two regurgitated versions of your "question" =/= several other given reasons validating your post

try again

especially since there is a standing argument against both of them

I didn't oversimplify it. I stated exactly what happened.
LOLQQ U MAD BRAH? <original text not found>
<defense failed>
<try again>

You choosing no tto believe it doesn't make it biased.no, its biased for the myriad of reasons I pointed out

you are the one guilty of lack of support, not I

You took many of those posts from the same post to make it look like more things.

(See? I can try and look at the psychological aspects fail at that too!) fixed

I did say that there were a 2 answers that were well formulated and helpful didn't I? and you also said that they agreed with your position on the issue

how are you not seeing the problem here?

Many of those reasons are illogical, repetitive, or not helpful. obvious biases are painfully obvious

Don't say I'm doing it wrong, because I did the exact same thing you did. Unless of course you want to admit you're illogical? except I am able to point out specific things that you ignored

Step by step process as to how I did it right.

1: List several things that are ironic.
2: Quote goshadstept2lose.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ&feature=related

Post by goshadstep2lose

Post by Monjaru

Post by tuckmuck203

Yes, clearly slapping "in PvP" on the question makes it relevent. Why do people do stupid things in PvP? The same reason people do stupid things IRL. Because some people are stupid. Stupid people do stupid things sometimes.

Was that really terribly difficult to figure out on your own? Did it really merit making a three page thread about? Not hardly. But don't sweat it; I forgive you. Because like I said: stupid people do stupid things sometimes.

Honestly? I know this wasn't explicitly stated in the question, but usually when a person asks something they expect answers to the question.

I asked, Why do people do illogical things in pvp?

I was answered: QQmoar.

How is that a helpful answer to the question?

God, this is getting tedious. I can beat this agrument too goshad, but it's just getting to the point where I'm going ot give up because it's too much effort, which is why I'm not going ot put all of the quotes and stuff in, and if you can't read it, tough.

This isn't a QQ story, it was an example leading to my question the in the ORIGINAL POST that was asking why people do completely illogical things
Okay, regardless of my oppinion being biased, based on the (biased) facts I've stated, in your oppinion, why do you think this person did what he did? you need to learn how to format a proper response

I hope this wasn't your response to the but if it was-

two regurgitated versions of your "question" =/= several other given reasons validating your post

try again

My response: You asked for another reason why I posted a QQ story(as you put it) I gave you another reason...I don't get it...

especially since there is a standing argument against both of them

I didn't oversimplify it. I stated exactly what happened.
LOLQQ U MAD BRAH? <original text not found>
<defense failed>
<try again>

Me response: According to your definition of bias, you're now biased too! You oversimplified my answer. Plus

You choosing not to believe it doesn't make it biased.no, its biased for the myriad of reasons I pointed out

you are the one guilty of lack of support, not I

My response:The myriad of reasons you pointed out were the ones that stated my forum post was biased. My in game experience itself isn't biased. I stated: If my story is talen to be true, regardless of it actually being true, then what is the answer ot my question. That's not bias, that is a conditional statement.

You took many of those posts from the same post to make it look like more things.

My response: I'll concede on that statement, just because I misread your post :P

(See? I can try and look at the psychological aspects fail at that too!) fixed

My response: Wow. So mature. That's an almost laughably stupid and immature thing to do.

I did say that there were a 2 answers that were well formulated and helpful didn't I? and you also said that they agreed with your position on the issue

how are you not seeing the problem here?

My response: Indeed I did. I see the problem was that amidst all of the QQ ranting there were some responses that did answer my question.

Many of those reasons are illogical, repetitive, or not helpful. obvious biases are painfully obvious

My reponse:
Maybe the warrior liked carrying the flag, and was having fun
he's having fun.
Repetitive.

We don't know. We can't know
Not helpful.

Maybe he didn't think this, but a Druid is also a much superior supporter than a Warrior
Not a feral druid, therefore illogical. Feral druids have stuns as CC's, and that's it for support.

Don't say I'm doing it wrong, because I did the exact same thing you did. Unless of course you want to admit you're illogical? except I am able to point out specific things that you ignored

My response: Uhm...I did that too...

Step by step process as to how I did it right.

1: List several things that are ironic.
2: Quote goshadstept2lose.

I fail to see what that video had to do with anything. At all. Whatsoever. You should link that after you're sure you've won.

Post by Monjaru

Honestly? I know this wasn't explicitly stated in the question, but usually when a person asks something they expect answers to the question.

I asked, Why do people do illogical things in pvp?

I was answered: QQmoar.

How is that a helpful answer to the question?
You're missing the point: There was no need to ask this question in the first place.

It was a stupid question, which you could have very easily answered for yourself with even the slightest amount of thought.

And my other point still stands as well. Adding "in PvP" to the end of a self-explanatory question neither makes it relevent to PvP in World of Warcraft, nor make it any less of a stupid and self-explanatory question.

Was that really terribly difficult to figure out on your own? Did it really merit making a three page thread about?
usually when a person asks something they expect answers to the question.
So, what's your excuse?

You can blame it on tediousness all you like; we still know you're finally coming to grips with the fact you lost the argument on page one.

Post by tuckmuck203

Actually I was only too lazy to answer goshads argument. His arguments and my rebuttles or however you spell it are tedious.
The length of th ehtread is completely irrelevent. I make a thread, people post. That's how a forum works, right?
Also, what's this about an excuse? I had also asked about the thought processes involved in him taking the flag, meaning is there a reason why he would logically take the flag and not drop it? I have never leveled a warrior past 8, so I only know the prominent things about a warrior.

Post by Monjaru

I make a thread, people post. That's how a forum works, right?
Irrelevent thread is still irrelevent.

I had also asked about the thought processes involved in him taking the flag, meaning is there a reason why he would logically take the flag and not drop it?
Lol after he had died, when I asked how come he didn't drop it when I asked him to, he said "there were horde comin" when the nearest horde was literally on the other side of the map. He grabbed the flag like 3 seconds before I got there, which was when I asked him to drop it. Doing a 1v1 on a far side of the map is different than seeing a better flag carrier right next to you, seeing no horde around, and refusing to drop it, then lie about it after dying.
You pretty clearly already knew the warrior was just being an idiot, and as someone (can't for the life of me remember who) already stated, you only made this thread to get people to back you up that the warrior was indeed an idiot. In other words, that part of your post is bull&*!@, and need not be brought up.

And you've yet again failed to answer my questions.

Was that really terribly difficult to figure out on your own? Did it really merit making a three page thread about?
I'll give you a hint; the answer to both questions is "No."

Post by goshadstep2lose

I asked, Why do people do illogical things in pvp?

I was answered: QQmoar. bias:
a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of an argument. IE: when someone oversimplifies any arguments against their point

How is that a helpful answer to the question? it wouldn't have been, that is if you actually received that as an answer

God, this is getting tedious. I can beat this agrument too goshad, but it's just getting to the point where I'm going ot give up because it's too much effort then i guess you aren't the prophesied one!

seriously thought, preemptive dodge noted

My response: You asked for another reason why I posted a QQ story(as you put it) I gave you another reason...I don't get it...two regurgitated versions of your "question" =/= several other given reasons validating your post
idiot-proofed both statements
if you are still having trouble understanding, bring a parent/gaurdian into the room to assist with the reading

Me response: According to your definition of bias, you're now biased too! You oversimplified my answer. wtf are you talking about? I quoted you verbatim

nice dodge though
not really

My in game experience itself isn't biased.

again, wtf are you talking about, no one stated your experience was biased.... experiences can't be biased

I stated: If my story is talen to be true, regardless of it actually being true, then what is the answer ot my question. That's not bias, that is a conditional statement. the problem remains:
your question was rehtoric
and your opinion on the relevance of the responses you received, is very clearly and very painfully biased

My response: Wow. So mature. That's an almost laughably stupid and immature thing to do. sorry I hurt your feelings, but your attempt at making a psychological argument failed on two counts: it had nothing to do with psychology and it was outright incorrect

next time put more thought into an argument when you are trying to sound smart and/or well educated and you wont be mocked when it fails so miserably

Indeed I did. I see the problem was that amidst all of the QQ ranting there were some responses that did answer my question. even as you slowly become aware of your weak arguments your deep seeded biases still shine through

see, now that is a psychological argument

Repetitive.
I was refering to your accusations of illogical and unhelpful answers
and repeated answers does nothing to weaken my argument against your denial of answers

Not helpful. how was that not helpful? ignoring the fact that you help isn't something that you were looking for, the answer in question was on topic, well supported, and relevant to the discussion. It also, coincidentally, was the best answer to your "question": the warrior never elaborated, and no one here possesses the gift of mind reading, we don't really know why he did it, and we never will.

Not a feral druid, therefore illogical. Feral druids have stuns as CC's, and that's it for support. stuns aren't the only form of support, in fact cloudp never made a feral specific argument in the post in question

the only illogical thing here is your response

Uhm...I did that too...

Step by step process as to how I did it right.

1: List several things that are ironic.
2: Quote goshadstept2lose.

I fail to see what that video had to do with anything. At all. Whatsoever. You should link that after you're sure you've won.
sense you intended to make: x
sense you actually made: 0
response: headsplosion

it probably stems from your poor grammar and a possible missuse of "irony" but Im not about to make an assumption about what you meant when that is all i have to go on

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