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Post by
buzz3070
So hot day ( its like over 100degress in the concession stand i work at) plus me hating myself for doing things that i thought was right but turned out to be mostly wrong and for that i feel like a total dumbass. Now my head is cool. Unfortunately the rest of me is not.
It truth its not a big deal to me, i like taking positions in arguments that goes against what many believe.
Also to an extent the terrorists and Islam are somewhat equal in that they are following there beliefs that anyone who is not following there religion is a sinner and deserves to die its there interpretation of it and the original meaning of the religion they supposedly follow is lost to obscurity because of a few people. ( to me my argument makes sense not sure about the rest of you.) I also do not hate Islam to make it clear to everyone.
We associate the crusades to retake the holy land with Christianity and we also associate the inquisitions with it as well . So why is that big of a leap to associate these acts of terrorism with islam? i do admit its done on a much small scale as far as people goes though.
im still on the position of it is a slap in the face to the family's but i do agree that repairing relations with the Muslim American community is a good thing to do this to me is not the right way to go about doing it.
Post by
375923
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Post by
Heckler
While I still disagree with you, I appreciate the efforts to explain your arguments in a rational way. I have no issue with "Devil's Advocate" type arguments, in fact I think they're usually helpful for critical thinking. I only have issue with baseless arguments, which is what yours appeared to be (and in some ways, still does).
As far as associations (Crusades, Inquisition), these become wrong when their conclusions are applied to all members of the religion without any further thought. The Al-Qaeda terrorists were Muslim, and they did the things they did at least in part, for their religion. But to take that, and extrapolate it to mean that all 1 billion+ Muslims in the world are somehow related, or that any conclusions can be drawn from the actions of Al-Qaeda and applied to the Muslim faith as a whole -- that is what I called wrong-headed.
From a broader perspective, we need an alliance of all faiths and all cultures against extremism and violence and terror if we're actually going to reduce the incidence of Terrorism. The "War on Terror" has no chance of success if we automatically place every Muslim on Earth (that's 20% of the global population, 1 in 5 humans) on the "Bad Guys" side of things because of the actions of a tiny minority.
Post by
buzz3070
The Muslims do not believe anyone who does not follow their beliefs are evil sinners to be killed and you should not come out with such blatently ignorant statements without any research,
the Isam faith teaches to respect people of other cultures even though they dont follow what they believe to be the true path to god, its only from other people misinterpreting texts that believe non-muslims are evil.
While some muslims do not it is in the koran.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/guestessays/islam_peace.html
Also it was wrong headed of me to say that heckler but they were the only somewhat similar events in history that i could remember.
Anyways to build on my public safety argument a while ago who is to say that this place might not be a giant target to attacks from extremists that would not only kill or wound everyone in the area?
Post by
Heckler
Anyways to build on my public safety argument a while ago who is to say that this place might not be a giant target to attacks from extremists that would not only kill or wound everyone in the area?
Perhaps it will be, if they are still willing to build it, then that does not serve as reason for an outside force to stop them (just as it would not have been a reason to not build the World Trade Center, a worldwide symbol of economic strength, which was targeted by extremists). Especially because that may serve as the government acknowledging or agreeing that the anti-Muslim sentiments are justified.
Post by
Adamsm
Anyways to build on my public safety argument a while ago who is to say that this place might not be a giant target to attacks from extremists that would not only kill or wound everyone in the area?Except you can say that about any gathering place; whether it's for Islamic, Catholic, Christian, Jewish and so on. If you really think there wouldn't be security for the Center.... well, I'm not sure about how your mind works there Buzz heh.
Post by
buzz3070
Anyways to build on my public safety argument a while ago who is to say that this place might not be a giant target to attacks from extremists that would not only kill or wound everyone in the area?Except you can say that about any gathering place; whether it's for Islamic, Catholic, Christian, Jewish and so on. If you really think there wouldn't be security for the Center.... well, I'm not sure about how your mind works there Buzz heh.
Well security can be compromised. Yeah my mind works really weirdly and i can think of many ways to break security there although many of them will not likely happen.
Post by
Adamsm
Anyways to build on my public safety argument a while ago who is to say that this place might not be a giant target to attacks from extremists that would not only kill or wound everyone in the area?Except you can say that about any gathering place; whether it's for Islamic, Catholic, Christian, Jewish and so on. If you really think there wouldn't be security for the Center.... well, I'm not sure about how your mind works there Buzz heh.
Well security can be compromised. Yeah my mind works really weirdly and i can think of many ways to break security there although many of them will not likely happen.
Heh, it can be.... but something like this, meant to be a healing point, would have heavy security, metal detectors, scanners and all the rest to keep extremist; both Islamic and not Islamic(let's be honest, some of those Militant groups in South would strike at it), from destroying the place.
Post by
Perkocet
Why is it for the last 4 years, on 9/11 the US has done nothing?
Because Michael Jackson died, duh.
Post by
557473
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Post by
Patty
I am a Muslim myself, to begin with...
I agree with whole construction idea, because it will prove the open-mindness of the whole nation to the religion separating it from bunch of insane freaks, who are using religion as cover for their actions.
on the other hand, if they build it on exact same spot, that is disrespectful, but several blocks away is fine for me.
and Al Qaeda was sponsored by someone during Soviet invasion in Afghanistan in 1980s, my History teacher told me(He is from Texas, so yo know)...
It was the American government, who gave them the weapons and the means that are at their disposal being used to kill NATO troops today.
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557473
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Private property is private property. If the government is allowed to step in and prevent that building, then who's to say that can't get rid of all Islamic buildings in New York...in America...? And what about other religions? Let's get rid of baptists, Catholics, and Raelians while we're at it...they offend people!
I can't believe people are actually talking like that is an option.
Post by
Squishalot
Private property is private property. If the government is allowed to step in and prevent that building, then who's to say that can't get rid of all Islamic buildings in New York...in America...? And what about other religions? Let's get rid of baptists, Catholics, and Raelians while we're at it...they offend people!
I can't believe people are actually talking like that is an option.
Are you arguing that Government should have no say whatsoever in town planning?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Are you arguing that Government should have no say at all in town planning?
Very much.
Post by
Squishalot
Heh. I disagree with you (as I often do on matters of government jurisdiction), but it's not worth sidetracking this thread.
Post by
Zoltas
Are you arguing that Government should have no say at all in town planning?
Very much.
Wait so, you think that people should be able to build whatever they want, wherever they want?
Sorry that is Off-topic but felt compelled to respond.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Wait so, you think that people should be able to build whatever they want, wherever they want?
Sorry that is Off-topic but felt compelled to respond.
Private property is private property. Neither you nor the government nor anyone has any right to manage my property. Insofar as I am not infringing upon others' right, of course; that goes without saying.
Post by
124027
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Post by
Adamsm
What makes you think the US is any different?Heh, think about what you just said there IronGolem.....
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