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Post by goshadstep2lose

I missed this part last night

well im sorry if it came across that way. Frames obviously had enough information to keep him busy and set on the path that he wanted to go down, and i made a point to apologize if i had taken away from that. Im not going to let you get away with this one either

stop pretending like "taking away from that" was an unintended consequence of you voicing your (irrelevant?) opinion on combat PvP... especially when, for at least the next few responses, you attempted to defend combat as a viable choice for him by reaffirmations like this:
combat is insanely fun for pvp... hes not talking arena here...

people post all kinds of comments and express themselves in lots of different ways on this forum. I think theres a lot worse things I couldve interjected than "combat ftw and then a bunch of other crap about it, and, after all my support and opinions were thoroughly turn to shreds by Relentless Logic™, feed my inability to accept that I was wrong again by trying to save face for another through repetitive dodging for another 3 pages"

owait... my bad I think i do see the problemfixd

goshad was not arguing that compared to the other 2 specs, combat was not viable. he was arguing that it was not viable in of itself.by suggesting a specific way of doing something as viable or fun you are comparing (ergo making an argument against) it to the other specific, more commonly practiced and well established ways of doing it.

and i will have to disagree that he is not arguing that i dont have fun in the spec. he has made several comments that suggest just that.
I've never suggested that you don't have fun playing combat, I have stated I don't understand how you could have fun with it if you are truly aware of the capabilities of the other two specs and I have suggested that you are ignorant to other choices

this is the point lava, you can dodge the real arguments all you want, and establish p*ss poor straw man arguments to feed your denial

but at the end of the day, anyone that has read your responses has probably read mine

Post by goshadstep2lose

the fact that the op wasnt interested in combat already makes any discussion about combat irrelevant to the thread. hence my apology.

you were arguing the first one, well trying, and failing.
allow me to requote your second response on in the thread:
combat is insanely fun for pvp... hes not talking arena here...

you want to know why no one takes your side? Its not because of some conspiracy, or because of all the "buttsex" Im apparently having with the other posters, or w/e you tried to dodge it with...

its because you are extremely transparent

not responding to and dodging are two completely different things. theres nothing in those two points you continuously post that is able to prove that i havent tried the other two trees. so why, after all this, do you still refuse to respond to the specific arguments made?

claiming that you don't need to respond to something (especially when you've been repeatedly called on it) is the worse way to avoid another argument we both know you are going to lose (read: obvious dodge is obvious, no matter how you dodge it)

first of all, you dont have a psychological evalution of me except that is exactly what that was

second of all, we're not trying to establish motive here, you're trying to prove that i haven't tried the other two trees and to do that I need to first provide a reason why you wouldn't, since your information is so radically different than anyone else who actually has tried all three you've given me more than enough basis

unless you could hack into the database, and see the history of my character, and what talents points i have chosen, and for what period of time, you have no hard evidence on what trees ive tried and when. so basically what you are saying is that your unverified claims should be taken at face value, but my opinion on the likeliness of your support should be disregarded?

you dont need evidence, but I do...

odd

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Post by goshadstep2lose

my apology was given after the op commented that he wasnt interested in combat at all. he never said anything of the sort

combat ftw = I think combat is better than it actually is
its insanely fun
and dood roguebladestorm!
fixd

maybe its something the op hasnt thought about, because hes not talking about arena here. i would never reccomend combat for arena. but you did recommend combat... hence the problem

Then the op said he wasnt interested, and i apologized. except that never happened

yes, i am extremely transparent. its called being honest.dodge noted
point stands

i could write an essay on why muti/prep and subtlety are better than combat for pvp. well now that it helps your failing position you could

sadly, ive played enough that i could probably recite every talent point without looking at a tree. iseewututried2dothur
transparent

what you're failing to understand is with all that in mind, how i still enjoy combat pvp. i just do. its as simple as that. that doesn't change the fact that, for all intents and purposes, no one else does, that you came here with misguided overestimates of the spec, did one of the worse jobs at a retract than anyone on this forum will likely ever see, and haven't contributed to the topic at hand at all

and yes, you need evidence to prove that i have not tried the other two trees if youre going to make such a claim. psychological evidence is still evidence
you're original support betrays you...

if you were to have seriously tried mutilate... or even shadowdance... you would have been full aware of how weak and unimpressive your original support for combat was
you failed to mention any of the crippling weaknesses of combat (extremely poor cp generation, extremely poor control, extremely poor burst, very poor mobility, extremely poor damage against anything other than cloth , extremely poor survivability , retardedly high gear requirements regardless of what you are stacking to preform even the simplest of tasks...)
An unbiased observer would have defiantly mentioned at least one of them in a thread to a new player

(10th time) its all still there

your bias, in that you think combat is worthless is the only thing driving you to think otherwise. except it's not a bias

combat is worthless in that it is the worst of the three trees in PvP, and it has no redeeming quality that it excels at or even preforms at an average level in BGs/arenas

you've given no evidence to the claim that I am biased, and I challenge you to find any

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Post by goshadstep2lose

frames: "But i dont want i combat vs sub/muti argument" =/= Im not interested in combat

reading comprehension
try it

if you think that me liking combat is evidence that i havent tried the other trees, then so be it. I will leave you to your lack of logic and evidence. its not just that you like it, its the reasons that you like it
you're original support betrays you...

if you were to have seriously tried mutilate... or even shadowdance... you would have been full aware of how weak and unimpressive your original support for combat was
you failed to mention any of the crippling weaknesses of combat (extremely poor cp generation, extremely poor control, extremely poor burst, very poor mobility, extremely poor damage against anything other than cloth , extremely poor survivability , retardedly high gear requirements regardless of what you are stacking to preform even the simplest of tasks...)
An unbiased observer would have defiantly mentioned at least one of them in a thread to a new player

11th

the fact that you have tried to prove to me that i dont enjoy combat I mean.. seriously?
no one said you didn't everyone knows thats not the issue was never argued He is not arguing that you dont have fun in the specThat isn't what he's saying.how many different times do you need to hear it before you become aware that we know you are full of it?

is a blatant display of your bias. even if it were true (that this whole time Ive been apparently arguing that you aren't actually having fun with combat PvP)

your still doing it wrong
calling something a bias =/= a bias

bring forth evidence (motive) for my bias or gtfo

its been in every single one of your posts, so no need to prove it. when you were typing this, were you aware that I was going to call you on your dodge? did that cross your mind? if so, did you simply shrug it off?

this is what bothers me about you... if there wasn't enough evidence to the contrary, I would say you were the greatest troll who ever lived

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Post by goshadstep2lose

thats because you are a narrow-minded @#$%tard who argues semantics to your favor. Irony

"i cant see how you still enjoy combat"

is an argument against me saying i obviously couldnt enjoy combat no, it is me enforcing the evidence that you haven't really tried mutilate or sub. If you had, why would you go back to combat?
everything fun about it: one of the other specs does better

bolding "secretly i hate combat", is another attempt to prove to me that i dont enjoy it. except that I immediately followed the statement in question by saying the bolded part was the only incorrect part
edit out the bolded part and you will be correct

reading comprehension, try it. massive ironic overload
seriously... next time you try to be a smartass ...be smart

the reasons i listed as to why i like combat are obviously not the only reasons if you had anymore unfabricated reasons you would have mentioned them awhile ago
you're not fooling anyone

and still do not prove anything about my involvement with the other treesthere is more than enough sufficient evidence to make an educated guess

evidenced by your continued inability to respond directly to it when it is presented, and presented, and presented to you over and over again. You can try to claim that you are just not responding (through negligence or higher moral ground or w/e you think makes you look the best) but when it comes down to it, you historically jump on any (perceived) mistakes I make any chance you get

this evidenced by the very, very, pick-and-choose style of responding- you always pick the (again perceived) weakest arguments you can find, while clearly ignoring the strongest ones

You've been called out on it multiple times, by multiple people.

and the obvious dodge on your part, where now have you stoppped trying to convince me of several things, one being what i meant by ftw, 2 being that you can prove i didnt try the other trees, and now 3 that i apologized to the op. I'd love for you to point out where I dodged any of those things

the most recent post where the "FTW" argument (by extension the "what your mantra was at the start of this discussion" argument) went without a response: mine
I've never said I could prove that you didn't try the other trees (just like you can never prove that you have) the last time that argument went without a retort? (do i really need to? you've dodged it 11 times): also mine
I never said that you didn't apologize to the OP... you confusion must stem from when i called you out on the OP never telling you he was uninterested (in another hilariously ironic twist, a point which you dodged) in which case that argument was most recently addressed: also by me

except the difference is that your dodges involve simply stopping trying to press every semantic angle on a point. (even if I were) you are getting on to me for dodging

...semantics arguments?

unobvious dodges that most people dont see. when you realize you are wrong, you simply stop talking about it. this f*cking ironic self projection won't quit

i cant wait to see what new irrelevant angles you can come up with from this post.preemptive dodge noted

Anyway: I've said it before and Ill say it again, don't mimic my arguments without mimicking my support... if you are going to accuse me of dodging, quote the dodge

I see you at least made an attempt at it this thread, so you are showing improvement, just make sure they aren't downright false as those 3 were

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Post by goshadstep2lose

you cant quote a dodge. hence a dodge, lmao. you discontinuing a point of attack is a dodge. you quote/requote the dodged argument that you presented

notice all those times I repeat a retort when you return to the same failed logic every 2-3 posts?

your opinion, which is biased towards the other specs. you cant comprehend how i like combat, that has to do with you, not me. what are you talking about? it has everything to do with you. I have stated my reasons for my confusion (combat is bad at this that and the other and sub/mutilate can do this that or the other better) and you haven't been able to tell me why those specific problems, that would take away from combats fun factor and make it not viable, might be misconstrued or incorrect
(read: dodged)

you originally seemed so gun ho to defend combats honor... why such a sudden and unsatisfactory retract?

could it be, you realized awhile ago that you were wrong about combat and this whole thread is one long sad attempt for you to save face...
keep digging bro, the laws of probability state that I eventually have to screw up, and when I do you can extort the hell out of it!

its not my responsiblity to provide you with evidence of my experiences, but if you make a claim that i have not tried the other specs, then find a way to prove it.
so I have to support my claims and you don't.

Wowhead!
I present too you Lavatsunami: not biased

you dont have a way, and youve been trying, and failing, ever since. this thread, and everyone in it, would like to disagree with you

also:
I've never said I could prove that you didn't try the other trees (just like you can never prove that you have)
there is more than enough sufficient evidence to make an educated guess
nice dodging bro

you seem to think that i pick and choose my arguments, but ive been arguing the same thing this whole time. well if by "whole time" you mean the time after you stopped trying to praise combats name (page 2-4, i forget) and began this crap, then I think "I've been trying to save face this whole time." would be a more appropriate summary

1) i glorified combat PvP and quickly found that I had no reason too fixd

op was not interested, so i apologized
you mean the argument that's been strictly limited to this page?
you've been arguing that the whole time?

3) you thought combat sucked and asked me to prove why i liked it strawman arguments are still strawman arguments
and weak dodge is still weak
I've never said I could prove that you didn't try the other trees (just like you can never prove that you have)

(not really arguable)but you've still been "arguing it the whole time" right?

4) you thought my reasons were bs as to why i liked it, which didnt change the fact that i liked it seriously man... the literal majority of your responses in this thread have been strawman arguments, Im sure you are Wikipedia'ing that now, so please just follow the information in the article... and avoid them in the future

5) you assumed i hadnt played the other trees because you couldnt fathom that i liked it, and your assumption was wrong. This would be the 12th time relinked a certain single argument but i decided it may be beyond you, hence your inability to respond. So I will spell it out, as that has seemed to work in the past.

no, I assumed you hadn't played the others because of your

probable misconceptions about its "awesomeness" (roguebladestorm right?)
you lack of knowledge on how "good" combat was in PvP: your original support cited a few very unimpressive aspects, but you present them like i would be an idiot for not agreeing
if you were aware of the relative strengths/weaknesses of the build you would have certainly been aware of one of any of the major fatal flaws to combat, knowledge generally learned from playing outer builds
if you had any idea of what you were talking about, you would never have suggested combat to PvPer looking for the best pvp spec

6) you havent been able to handle a singe one of these truths yet. claiming truth =/= validity

nice try though
Im sure Ive mentioned that to you before
/thread you wish

also: nice dodges you sad little hypocrite

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Post by HoleofArt

Where's the option to report someone for being an idiot?

(Edit: Nice dodges, bro)

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Post by goshadstep2lose

no, the rest of this thread has been trying to get you to understand that you cant prove:

1) that i dont enjoy combatno one said you didn't everyone knows thats not the issue was never argued He is not arguing that you dont have fun in the specThat isn't what he's saying.
2) that i havent tried the other trees.
I've never said I could prove that you didn't try the other trees (just like you can never prove that you have)

op said he wasnt interested in an argument fixd

i apologized for not being helpful, and that was that. clearly that was that

i dont need to prove to you why i enjoy combat. you can attempt to figure that one out by yourself. I have tried, and i was unsuccessful, so I asked you to elaborate

...why so much trouble bro?

in the meantime, why dont you pay attention irony

realize that there hasnt been anything to argue, except you saying you can argue those two points, and me saying you cant.read: arguing

(Edit: Nice dodges, bro)
*dodge*
weallseewutudidthur

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this thread has been moved to the rogue forums by the wise and benevolent mods

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