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Post by
Frames
Im lvl 60 right now.
right now my tree is looking like
this
This in the right step?
Post by
goshadstep2lose
you should have picked up RS before MoD or camouflage, but that is fine
Post by
Frames
well i thought that a 10 yard sap and blind with increased stealth speed was more important in bgs right now before a 20% chance to gain 25 energy. I was gonna come back to it eventually though.
Post by
goshadstep2lose
RS is key to your burst as well as sustaining damage on a target
the increased stealth speed and MoD are just filler points in your bracket (but they both become alot more important in arenas)
Post by
243770
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
"combat is insanely fun for pvp" is an opinion, so yes i did present it as one. you made an outright suggestion
the information only applying to you was not insinuated and wasn't even relevant to the thread. Stating that it only pertained to you long after the fact does nothing to help your argument
you arent fooling anyone, and Im not going to let you cop out so easily
you dont have any logic or evidence to prove that i have not tried all 3 trees.
you're original support betrays you...
if you were to have seriously tried mutilate... or even shadowdance... you would have been full aware of how weak and unimpressive your original support for combat was
you failed to mention any of the crippling weaknesses of combat (extremely poor cp generation, extremely poor control, extremely poor burst, very poor mobility, extremely poor damage against anything other than cloth , extremely poor survivability , retardedly high gear requirements regardless of what you are stacking to preform even the simplest of tasks...)
An unbiased observer would have defiantly mentioned at least one of them in a thread to a new player
pvp talents exist in the combat tree.and they put pve talents in sub, frost, arms, BM... and dps talents into disc, holy, and resto
whats your point?
the purpose of a talent has nothing to do with how good it is
anyone would agree that 1/2/3 spec is not the same as a filled out spec. whats your point? anyone else would agree that combat is worthless for PvP
the point you continuously tout is that it is still viable
and what about
any spec
tldr: quit dodging or quit posting
Post by
243770
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
no, i suggested, that because combat is fun for me, it might be fun for other people. thats the point of suggestion. of course it pertains to me, otherwise i wouldnt have said it.
you stated outright that combat was fun, viable, and then supported it with your misconceptions about PvP
only when I started calling out all those things did you suggest that it was simply your opinion, and that it was ultimately irrelevant to this thread
you arent fooling anyone, and Im not going to let you cop out so easily
it is illogical to assume that because i enjoy comat pvp that i have not tried the other 2 trees. it actually is logical
for the reasons I have stated
you're original support betrays you...
if you were to have seriously tried mutilate... or even shadowdance... you would have been full aware of how weak and unimpressive your original support for combat was
you failed to mention any of the crippling weaknesses of combat (extremely poor cp generation, extremely poor control, extremely poor burst, very poor mobility, extremely poor damage against anything other than cloth , extremely poor survivability , retardedly high gear requirements regardless of what you are stacking to preform even the simplest of tasks...)
An unbiased observer would have defiantly mentioned at least one of them in a thread to a new player
quit trying to make an argument out of something that is not an argument. because we aren't arguing huh?
also:quit dodging or quit posting
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243770
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
yes, i stated that it was fun and viable, and it is both for me. no misconceptions. thats just a fact. you arent fooling anyone, and Im not going to let you cop out so easily
only an egotistical maniac, like yourself, would believe it is logical to assume that i have not tried the other trees because i enjoy combat pvp.ad hominem defense noted
point standsyou're original support betrays you...
if you were to have seriously tried mutilate... or even shadowdance... you would have been full aware of how weak and unimpressive your original support for combat was
you failed to mention any of the crippling weaknesses of combat (extremely poor cp generation, extremely poor control, extremely poor burst, very poor mobility, extremely poor damage against anything other than cloth , extremely poor survivability , retardedly high gear requirements regardless of what you are stacking to preform even the simplest of tasks...)
An unbiased observer would have defiantly mentioned at least one of them in a thread to a new player
we are only arguing because you fail to realize the fact that you cant argue either of the points that i am making. you have not made a single argument that I have been unable to respond to, evidenced by your continued dodging by repetition and refusal to acknowledge my retorts
you keep trying to make it what you want it to be in order to have an argument, and i keep saying what ive said all along.
combat is fun for me, i believe it could be fun for other people, in that sense i believe it is viable (for bgs) I still don't see how you could find combat fun
considering everything fun about it: one of the other specs does it better
and that although i have been a proud mut/prep rogue for a long, long, time, i have enjoyed switching things up and pvping as combat. ^not transparent^
^not sarcasm^
you have no argument, so keep arguing all you want.
flawless logic is flawless
inb4: oh except this: (posts everything youve posted for the last 5 responses)preemptive dodge noted
all points still stand
Post by
243770
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
"i still dont see how you could find combat fun"
problem found.
i do!
none of your points stand. you are arguing by yourself.
you have successfully phased yourself out of the argument
nice dodge
no one noticed
Post by
243770
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Post by
Frames
RS is key to your burst as well as sustaining damage on a target
the increased stealth speed and MoD are just filler points in your bracket (but they both become alot more important in arenas)
So RS procs more than it sounds huh?
Post by
goshadstep2lose
anyone reading the last 10 posts wouldve noticed there was no argument.
none of your points standyes, i stated that it was fun and viable, and it is both for me. no misconceptions. thats just a fact.
only an egotistical maniac, like yourself, would believe it is logical to assume that i have not tried the other trees because i enjoy combat pvp.combat is fun for me, i believe it could be fun for other people, in that sense i believe it is viable (for bgs)no, i suggested, that because combat is fun for me, it might be fun for other people. thats the point of suggestion. of course it pertains to me, otherwise i wouldnt have said it.pvp talents exist in the combat treeit is illogical to assume that because i enjoy comat pvp that i have not tried the other 2 trees
could have fooled me
combat is fun for me ( you cant argue that) No, but I can argue that it isn't viable, and that your original statement, if relevant, was a tout of combats viability, and inherent "fun"
i have tried the other 2 trees and still found combat fun ( you cant argue that) except i can, i have, and i will
you're original support betrays you...
if you were to have seriously tried mutilate... or even shadowdance... you would have been full aware of how weak and unimpressive your original support for combat was
you failed to mention any of the crippling weaknesses of combat (extremely poor cp generation, extremely poor control, extremely poor burst, very poor mobility, extremely poor damage against anything other than cloth , extremely poor survivability , retardedly high gear requirements regardless of what you are stacking to preform even the simplest of tasks...)
An unbiased observer would have defiantly mentioned at least one of them in a thread to a new player
the problem: "i dont see how you could find combat fun"
the dodged reason:
everything fun about it: one of the other specs does better
expand your mind, widen your gaze, open up your narrowminded egotistical brain. who knows. you might like it. only if you promise to stop dodging direct retorts!
Post by
goshadstep2lose
So RS procs more than it sounds huh?
25 energy every 5 point finisher effectively makes your finishers free
Post by
243770
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
yep, combat is fun for me despite the other trees being better. you went out of your way to explain why mut and prep had things combat didnt, and because of those differences, combat has a different playstyle.
i enjoy that playstyle. everything fun about it: one of the other specs does better
are you really arguing that its inefficiency is what makes it fun? then why would you stick your nose up at 1/2/3 or 0/0/0
just think of them as hard mode combat PvP
if you need to think in your head that you have a way to argue about something you know nothing about (my history of pvp with my rogue), then go ahead. do whatever makes you happy. if you think after all this continuing to repeat the same things Ive already made responses too is going to help you save face, then go ahead. happiness and all that noise.
the only thing im arguing at this point, and have been arguing is that you dont have something to argue about. from the very same post as:
yep, combat is fun for me despite the other trees being better. you went out of your way to explain why mut and prep had things combat didnt, and because of those differences, combat has a different playstyle.
continuously posting the same thing isnt an argument, sorry. irony
the thing is, the things I am repeating are a dirrect response to an argument you've made
then, when you ignore the retort and repeat the same defense again within a couple of posts, Im forced to requote the ignored retort
the point: my repetition is excusable, yours isn't
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243770
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Post by
HoleofArt
no you are repeating the same responses because you refuse to understand that you cant argue that i enjoy combat pvp.
That isn't what he's saying, and that wasn't your original statement.
But ok.
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