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Lvling PvP Rogue Questions.

Post by Frames

I have a lvl 45 Undead Rogue i made just for PvP. I quest untill my queues come up.

I have this in my main hand, and this in my offhand. Both are which enchanted with this.

I was wondering which 2 enchants would be best for PvPing up untill the 60s or 70s bracket were i might replace these 2 daggers.

Post by goshadstep2lose

this

Post by Frames

this

Well i was wondering if lifestealing, or crusader or fiery would be better, i see lots of other rogues using those enchants.

Post by goshadstep2lose

this

Post by Frames

this

Thats nice. Haha.

Post by Frames

I was hoping for dissucssion on why ones better than the other.

Post by goshadstep2lose

both lifestealing and fierys damage are worthless at your level

crusader is better for longer fights but in the globalling world of pre resilience sub PvP the 30 agi will provide you with the crit and ap you need with a convenient 100% uptime (ie: your ambushes will rarely benefit from crusader)

also: since you are 45 you should already have a point in sinister calling and its where your next 4 points should be spent

Post by Frames

Okay so i went on a PvP spree and now i went from 40 to 50 in less than 2 days.

Haha.

So what is the Spec 50+? Muti-prep right?

Post by goshadstep2lose

meh

you can try mutilate now and make you decision based on which playstyle you like better... make sure you pick up another heartseeker with 15 agi for you OH tho

you wont be able to be "mutiprep" till 71 and until that point sub pvp and mutilate pvp are basically on-par with each other... pick the one that suits you best

Post by Frames

So is Muti-prep like "the" PvP spec? If so what is the talent build for it. I couldnt find a PvP guide in rogues stickies.

Also noticed the sub does horrible damage on plate. Does muti do more damage?

I feel like in sub one i break outta stealth and use my first few moves, i cant keep up consistent damage, but i have huge burst. Does muti keep up high damage?

Post by goshadstep2lose

So is Muti-prep like "the" PvP spec? If so what is the talent build for it. I couldnt find a PvP guide in rogues stickies. a variant of mutiprep envenomprep is "the" pvp spec

but thats level 80 and taking arenas into account, meaning the spec is more or less irrelevant to you

the linked guide just hasn't been stickyed yet, but the information is up to date (be aware that this is also a level 80 guide)

Also noticed the sub does horrible damage on plate. Does muti do more damage? yes, mutilates poison damage is alot higher than subs poison damage, mutilate (whether envenom specd or not) will do more damage to high armor targets than sub

I feel like in sub one i break outta stealth and use my first few moves, i cant keep up consistent damage, but i have huge burst. Does muti keep up high damage? also correct, sub has slightly superior burst (through opening with ambush and later shadowdance) at the cost of control and sustained damage, which become alot more important at 80 (mainly because of resil) but are generally not necessary in low level BGs

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Post by Frames

So this is where i should be now in the 80 build?

Post by goshadstep2lose

not at all

since you are mutiprep and not envenom prep imp poisons is a complete waste of points

your build should be closer to this

also: do you have any other heirlooms? (just link me an armory)
and are you leveling lockpicking

Post by goshadstep2lose

combat ftwno

pvp

Post by Frames

also: do you have any other heirlooms? (just link me an armory)
and are you leveling lockpicking

Here you go.

Post by Frames

not at all

since you are mutiprep and not envenom prep imp poisons is a complete waste of points

your build should be closer to this

Well im still sub as of right now. I wanted to know what was the number 1 pvp spec, by the sounds of it its envenomprep.

So what would be my build right now?

Post by goshadstep2lose

if you have a main who can fish, get the heirloom ring
get another heartseeker with 15 agi if you haven't already (for mutilate)
pick up the heirloom bow
get a swift hand to replace the AB trinket
get the PvE heirloom shoulders instead of the PvP ones
fix your chest enchant- +4 stats > 100 hp
get a second swift hand to use when your insignia is on CD (thats 5 mins of free haste you are missing out on) and make a macro for switching out the two trinkets
get the heirloom insignia to replace your blue insignia... a little extra resil, while not terribly important to you, is always nice
proceed to annihilate anyone you come across

Post by goshadstep2lose

envenomprep is the number 1 pvp spec at 80, but as Ive said its completely irrelevant to where you are right now

try out mutilate, if you dont like it go back to sub and try mutilate again in 10-20 levels (it gets better the closer you get to 80)

and since Im sure you will eventually ask:
wound/wound for mutilate
wound/crippling for sub

Post by Frames

if you have a main who can fish, get the heirloom ring
get another heartseeker with 15 agi if you haven't already (for mutilate)
pick up the heirloom bow
get a swift hand to replace the AB trinket
get the PvE heirloom shoulders instead of the PvP ones
fix your chest enchant- +4 stats > 100 hp
get a second swift hand to use when your insignia is on CD (thats 5 mins of free haste you are missing out on) and make a macro for switching out the two trinkets
get the to replace your blue insignia... a little extra resil, while not terribly important to you, is always nice
proceed to annihilate anyone you come across

Mains ally, so no heirloom insignia and thats a !@#$ load of badges...

envenomprep is the number 1 pvp spec at 80, but as Ive said its completely irrelevant to where you are right now

try out mutilate, if you dont like it go back to sub and try mutilate again in 10-20 levels (it gets better the closer you get to 80)

and since Im sure you will eventually ask:
wound/wound for mutilate
wound/crippling for sub

so.. this?

Lvling PvP Rogue Questions.

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