This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please
enable JavaScript
in your browser.
Live
PTR
Beta
Classic
Healers expect preferential treatment in LFDs?
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
438555
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Monday
"Preferential Treatment" my ass, he just asked for kings. If you feel the need to yell at someone, yell at the pally for not paying attention to the buff requests. Then you run your mouth and complain about him being a jerk? What the hell kind of a fantasy world are you living in?
While the paladin was an idiot, it really wasn't worth leaving the group over. It's a heroic, you can do them with no buffs...
Post by
monopoman
Whenever I see this type of behavior in 5 mans I seriously contemplate dropping group the drama a freaking 5 man can generate trumps raids by about 1000 times in a time frame ratio.
One argument in a raid of 4 hours is understandable occasionally people not able to get along for 10 minutes is a freaking joke.
Post by
wolfeyoung
Whenever I play a class that can buff, I only buff the tank, if the buff benefits him/her. Why?
Because buffing dps is pointless in these levels of gear. People say that the run will be faster with buffs, but really, you spend more time walking between mobs then killing mobs. Time saved with buffs? 10-25 seconds total for the entire run imo.
Now if I see someone that is in new gear, then yes, I buff them, no matter their role.
Post by
teek5449
Why are we encouraging classes to not fulfill their responsibility in the group / raid? A buff was requested and should have been cast prior to it being realized that it was missing. Simple as that.
None of this, "groups are overgeared so they don't need buffs", or "it's just a single buff who cares" etc...
Simple as this: If part of your class can offer additional utility to any other class in a group situation it is YOUR responsibility to fulfill that role that you chose to play no matter how overgeared another player is. Even if you need to zone out to buy more reagents or to coordinate with others who offer similar utility as to not overlap buffs. You chose to play that particular class and take on that responsibility, own up to it.
Blizz has made it as simple as possible to buff (remember the short pally buffs) so just do it and avoid all the drama.
One click -> 30 silver out of pocket -> no drama -> profit!
Post by
nihmue
LFD. Everyone has a gearscore of 5000+, so we're cruising along. The healer types "Kings please." The ret Pally isn't paying attention, so the healer asks again. Then, 30 seconds later, the healer: "Still no Kings..."
so you couldn't just have ignored the issue asking for kings isn't a horrible thing. I've been in LFD groups with pure idiots where we kill some of the easiest bosses imaginable with 1 person alive and boss at like 1% if we missed that buff or 2 it would've been a wipe. Point is you never know what'll happen and it is the pallies role to give out buffs.
I'm getting annoyed, so I tell the healer to just drop it.
why would you get annoyed for this he's asking the pally to press 1 button to make the run smoother
^^ this
I always buff people when I come in, it's just common courtesy. And as for reagent costs.. one Symbol of Kings will cost you a whopping 1s50c.. I think everyone can spare that and if it really bugs you just give the short version.
Depending on the groups gear and attitude.. sometimes it's actually very useful. It takes me a couple of seconds at the most, and like executor says.. some groups.. they really DO need it :p You never know what kind of group you are going to get. And when I just hit 80.. I know that my healer certainly made good use of her wisdom or mage int buff in some runs. It will take me longer to inspect everyone and make some random judgement about the groups capability beforehand, so I just buff. Buffing is part of your role, do it, it takes like 2 seconds.
That healer wasn't asking for 'special treatment' imo (though I agree the situation could've been handled better.. by multiple party members)
I generally don't mind much on my healer if I don't get the buffs, but I will ask if I feel I do need them or will ask them to change the buff if I get Might for example (surprisingly, that happens quite a lot..)
My resto shammie is well geared, and in some LFD groups I still want buffs. An example from last week: I zone in, the pala tank with starter gear and low health pool is speeding off, chainpulling because he thinks he's the king or something. The rest of the group isn't well geared yet either. The pally also sucks at keeping aggro. They all take a sh*tload of damage each pack, and there is no stopping. No buffs. This run drained my mana faster than healing intensive ICC raid bosses. So yeah, I damn well will ask that pala for my buff if he insists on running the instance like that while he isn't really geared for it. And if he then gives me some attitude about it, I will give some attitude back.
(we ended up kicking the guy after he refused to stop to res the dps he let die, and proceeded pulling the next packs saying 'lollol' when we asked him to stop for a second)
Point is, you will run into this in one way or another. Even with nice groups that are just gearing or still learning their role. Buffs are useful, it costs you no extra effort to give them out at all other than pressing one button.
Post by
Pwntiff
Would you respond the same if he was OoMing and asked for Wisdom to keep mana breaks at a minimum? If yes, go back to soloing please.
Post by
obiwaynekenobi
I always buff; it's second nature to me. And I always use Greater blessings except in Trial of the Champion, since I can just refresh before each "round".
Post by
524425
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
montezuma7
in my experience every class expects preferential treatment in lfd
Post by
wintercoat
I rebuff at the beginning of every pull. Aren't shammy's great and caring?
>.>
<.<
Anyways...on topic, the healer should've healed, the pally should've buffed, and you shouldn't start trouble when it's uncalled for, ever.
Also, to the people who defend the healer not healing, what makes you think a pally not doing a minor part of his job justifies a healer not doing their primary job? The pally could've sped up the run by what, a few seconds when the healer cost who knows how much time?
Post by
463521
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
CaoimheX
The healer was behaving like a spoilt brat.
The tank had a mind-in-neutral instance.
The DPS didn't just shut up and do their job.
What a wonderful soup, how typical it is.
I do wish the title of the thread wouldn't seek to tar all healers with the same brush though.
Post by
460308
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Hamandeggs
Anyways...on topic, the healer should've healed, the pally should've buffed, and you shouldn't start trouble when it's uncalled for, ever.
You call it " trouble," but when is it called-for to voice your opinion?
I'm not inclined to resolving situations diplomatically in LFD. For the sake of brevity, I condense my argument to some simple terms. The run should only last about 15 minutes, so I'm curt and don't mince words. Usually, I say "Hi" when I get in and "Thanks everyone" before I leave. I chat more if players are newbies or time to regen mana. And if someone's being a jerk, I'll tell them they're being a jerk.
When a player threatens to withhold heals on another player in the group out of spite, I'm fairly certain that everybody that has posted in this thread so far is the type that wouldn't be shy voicing their opinion in that same scenario. Why else did you register and respond here? Arguing is not necessarily a bad thing. We have the ability to communicate in-game, so we utilize it. Whether or not you would employ the same attitude and language I do, that's your style and prerogative.
Post by
620218
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
354213
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Ballastik
BUFFS should be cast on all members if u have them regardless of gearscore, attitude, etc there are 4/3 others in that party as well just cause 1 guy is an arse doesnt mean the rest of the group should have to take it.
some tanks think there gods gift to that instance and everyone needs to move at there pace WRONG the group moves at the pace of the entire group if healer / dps runs low on mana the whole group waits, if tank doesnt wait for heals to get mana than he deserves to die and than get kicked ( if im healing i will let you die) now there are some exceptions to the dps bieng low on mana and waiting...
if someones dead and tank runs before there rezed and healed up he can die.
if healer in group doesnt think someone should be healed than they need to be told to heal all or be kicked, i dont care if the guy was an arse dont slow down the whole group cause of it.
for the ones that dont buff ask them in a whisper why there not buffing.. they may not know how or have other reasons for not doing it.
....i have been in this situation before i asked the guy and he didnt buff one char because of a past run with char i asked him to do it just so the whole group can just get it over with faster and just put the char on ignore so u wont have to group with him any more he did and thanked me cause he didnt know that putting someone on ignore keep them from grouping up with them in the future rest of run went good and fast .
OP the heals was bad for refusing to heal and the dps was bad for refusing to buff. i wouldve kicked them both for not doing there role, yea i know u didnt want to have to wait for another dps /heals to get in group but if everyone did kick people like this than we would no longer have issues like this.
cause one day people wont buff and only heal select people and runs wont get past the first boss. than you will be back to
/2 lFG need heals tank and 2 dps for ..... must buff and heal everyone regardless of personal opinion
Post by
628452
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Pwntiff
Yes, it's my job to heal. It's not my job to pour mana into you to compensate for stupidity. I will not heal you though poison clouds in AN, for example.
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.
© 2021 Fanbyte
