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Draenei offical swept under the rug..
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Post by
Adamsm
Your last quote was one from Delt Farseer heh, not me.
I thought the implication was that the presence of the dreadlords caused Sargeras to see the universe as inherently flawed and unfixable, which in turn caused him to slide into "omnicidal maniac" territory.That.. I'm not sure about; originally the two races actions had convinced that what he was working on was wrong; that Order was not the way the universe was meant to be, but Chaos and he shattered the bonds of their prisons, letting them back into the universe at large, which caused both races to bow down and submit to his will, with Archimonde and Kil'jaeden setting up as his official commanders, and the Dreadlords as the more shadowy group behind the scenes; the Lords were the ones who turned his eyes to the Anihilan or Pitlords as we know them better. With the change, it could be seen as the Dreadlords doing their standard move for conquering a planet; sowing mistrust and causing paranoia to have changed Sargeras from the Champion of Order to the Bringer of Chaos.
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Post by
Gnub
may I respond?
Ah, the wonders of rhetorical questions.
Now, all of the below points to the first two points of before-mentioned forum rules, and instead of discussing it further, read it, digest it, and let it sink a bit more in. Keep those two in mind when reading my replies below.
alot of people dislike me, but disliking me isnt grounds for a ban
They dislike you for a reason, obviously. People make an opinion of other people on forums, based on what they post. We moderators do the same, and do - on top of that - read the reports the other users make, when they feel a certain user has stepped over the line.
meh; I maintain that I am just rude, and that rude =/= troll, there are plenty of active/inactive posters on wowhead that fit the "traditional" definition of trolling
but Im not about to argue the semantics of internet slang
Alright, I did use "troll'ish", but I should correctly have used "rude" instead, as that was indeed more correct. Offensive/rude replies is however often seen as trolling, and does around the same to the argument/discussion.
where i was arguing against the griefing about how wow has progressed over the years
albeit in a rude manner
See the above. Discussions can easily be made without being rude.
calling the OP on raging about how he finds draenei lore unacceptable? you cannot deny that is post was wrought with it
Well, it was. But your reply didn't exactly make it better. In my eyes, it was/is trolling, without doubt. Again, semantics.
then I merely defended myself against insults made on the worthiness of my posts
Once again, see the above about rudeness and discussions.
I am guilty of ASCII, quote pyramids, and IBTL, cool story bro and the like (read: memes) but those are the most commonly abused and least enforced forum rules...
and in my 2 and a half years here I can't recall anyone ever being banned for them
Which, in my opinion, is also an error, of sorts. We are, at times,
too
nice. :P Still, excessive use of them, in combination with all I mentioned above, adds up. My main focus is also with with the attitude, not the ones you just listed.
Now, as a last word from me, sorry about majorly semi-hijacking the thread for posting all this - let's get back on topic (which I can, thankfully, see has already happened while I wrote all this). :)
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Your last quote was one from Delt Farseer heh, not me.Ack. Yes, I'm completely aware of that; I deleted the wrong attribution. Fixed.
That.. I'm not sure about; originally the two races actions had convinced that what he was working on was wrong; that Order was not the way the universe was meant to be, but Chaos and he shattered the bonds of their prisons, letting them back into the universe at large, which caused both races to bow down and submit to his will, with Archimonde and Kil'jaeden setting up as his official commanders, and the Dreadlords as the more shadowy group behind the scenes; the Lords were the ones who turned his eyes to the Anihilan or Pitlords as we know them better. With the change, it could be seen as the Dreadlords doing their standard move for conquering a planet; sowing mistrust and causing paranoia to have changed Sargeras from the Champion of Order to the Bringer of Chaos.Believe me, there have been I-don't-know-
how
-many possible explanations thrown around. My personal theory is that Kil'jaeden did his thing and, well, deceived. (In this case, that means that he spread disinformation about what eeeeevil sonsuvbastards eredar are. Which could, actually, also explain why Velen's faction quit
calling
themselves "eredar.")
I don't know much about the Awful Forums but aren't they supposed to be... awful? And really, its a nerdraging kid, why would Blizzard listen to them.I meant the official WoW forums. They're the unholy hybrid of a reeking sinkhole and a vipers' nest.
I know the Draenei got the end of the stick for the entire expansion and that it really sucked but other races did in BC... we should wait until we know for a fact that Exodar and Silvermoon won't get any updates in Cata and then judge the new Azuremyst/Bloodmyst islands. The whole thing of ''BC QQ damned the spacegoats'' feel veeeeeery harsh to me.Even in BC, the draenei felt like shallow foils to the blood elves.
Sincerely I never considered the possibility.... perhaps I just assimilated the image of a very determined draenei female shaman called Farseer Lolotea as words written in stone.I've got Horde characters, too (most of them either blue or unguligrade). And the shaman is actually more or less retired.
I'll start spamming about how the Draenei suck on the Awful Forums too =p
Don't you dare. :P
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Post by
Adamsm
Believe me, there have been I-don't-know-how-many possible explanations thrown around. My personal theory is that Kil'jaeden did his thing and, well, deceived. (In this case, that means that he spread disinformation about what eeeeevil sonsuvbastards eredar are. Which could, actually, also explain why Velen's faction quit calling themselves "eredar.")Maybe... except the 'Shining One' came to all three Eredar at once, if Kil'jaeden had called Sargeras to the world, you'd think he would have introduced Archimonde and Velen to the new 'God' and made them join before the reveal happened.
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FarseerLolotea
I admit that the thalassian elves are almost on the level of the humans and orcs (not that I dislike it anyways, I
am
a blood elf and am not a hypocrite). But Cataclysm feels like the ''awesome'' expansion where everyone will get their spotlight and (hopefully) Exodar will be there to offer new quests for new Draenei players.Maybe. The fact that draenei are already apparently getting left out of something that applies to every other race doesn't bode well.
Wrath of the Lich King was merely a setback! Did you honestly believe that I would trust the future to some bland and full of snow expansion?, ! Oh no no no... I can
SEE
the future! And this
time
... you will not interfere.I chuckled. (See also:
this
.)
Maybe... except the 'Shining One' came to all three Eredar at once, if Kil'jaeden had called Sargeras to the world, you'd think he would have introduced Archimonde and Velen to the new 'God' and made them join before the reveal happened.I meant after the fact.
Post by
Adamsm
Maybe... except the 'Shining One' came to all three Eredar at once, if Kil'jaeden had called Sargeras to the world, you'd think he would have introduced Archimonde and Velen to the new 'God' and made them join before the reveal happened.I meant after the fact.
Heh, well, that is why they dropped, they didn't want to be seen as the same thing as the monsters who chased them across existence, slaughter worlds or corrupting them in their wake... and it's even possible there is more to Azeroth universe space travel then we realize and at some point, a group escaped a planet caught in the middle of the Eredar Man'ari Eredar war and let people know about the Draenei, who changed their name at that point.
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh, well, that is why they dropped, they didn't want to be seen as the same thing as the monsters who chased them across existence, slaughter worlds or corrupting them in their wake... and it's even possible there is more to Azeroth universe space travel then we realize and at some point, a group escaped a planet caught in the middle of the Eredar Man'ari Eredar war and let people know about the Draenei, who changed their name at that point.Hard to say. However, as far as I know, there was no real war between the "ur-draenei," as it were, and the man'ari. Velen's faction just got the hell out of Dodge.
1 - The overall idea is great and about what I would expect of a ''Lets kick the Legion's ass Expansion''. It just seem to need more thingies (such as a description of a initial questline
that features a whole battle and the phased evolution of the initial base camp of your respective faction
- the underlined part was made up as I typed so please don't consider it), of course I wouldn't expect you to create every single detail of an expansion (you were still quite meticulous on certain parts, such as how the Horde would call the planet at first and other things).I figured there should be a reason for the Horde to be there that Alliance fanboys can't immediately dismiss as the equivalent of "manifest destiny."
2 - Not sure why the Silver Vengeance should be made up of Paladins, they don't have any more reason to be there, it should be a draenei heavy faction with all sorts of classes. Unless the Church or the Argent have something to do with it, then no problems =D.I was thinking of the Silver Vengeance as being Turalyon's faction; hence, paladins.
3 - When I think of the ancient Eredar I see a society much like the modern thalassian: magic is the center of it (except for the part where the Magisters abuse magic and rules with an iron fist).Which is more or less what I've been telling people all along...
So, if the ''Town Center of Mac'aree'' was also the political center, then it should be the ''Arcane Center'' as well. I'm not sure right off what the main differences would be between the arcane district vs. the city center. Aside from power level and the presence of Talgath, that is. (Perhaps "outer arcane district" for the part with the roving warp-stalker packs?)
If I remember well, there was already some Light worship there, wasn't it? If so, there could also be a defiled Altar of the Light, much in the same way Karabor is today.Not sure if it was Light worship as such, but the eredar of Argus were not entirely irreligious. They had temples and sacred relics.
4 - You forgot the part where the draenei manages to crash the Exodar into the
sky
Ehh, not gonna happen unless there are too many blood elves around. :P
I would be really happy if I had a good reason to play a draenei. It's such a shame to see things like this happen...Hear to the freakin' hear, but in before claims that "the waggle is overpowered."
Post by
shmickley
would of been better to just replace dranie with worgon and be done with it
Post by
FarseerLolotea
would of been better to just replace dranie with worgon and be done with itOh, really? How the hell do you
figure
that trading out the one original playable race in the game for one that's considerably less so—thus making the game less interesting—would be "better" than giving the original race as much screen time as the rest?
Or are you just trolling?
Post by
shmickley
would of been better to just replace dranie with worgon and be done with itOh, really? How the hell do you
figure
that trading out the one original playable race in the game for one that's considerably less so—thus making the game less interesting—would be "better" than giving the original race as much screen time as the rest?
Or are you just trolling?
bit of both
How many people roll a space goat other then to play a shammy? there sure not rolled cause there the best looking/class combo there rolled cause ally have no other choice cause of blizz's $%^&up thats is dranie's existence.
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Post by
Skreeran
would of been better to just replace dranie with worgon and be done with itOh, really? How the hell do you
figure
that trading out the one original playable race in the game for one that's considerably less so—thus making the game less interesting—would be "better" than giving the original race as much screen time as the rest?
Or are you just trolling?
bit of both
How many people roll a space goat other then to play a shammy? there sure not rolled cause there the best looking/class combo there rolled cause ally have no other choice cause of blizz's $%^&up thats is dranie's existence.I'm rolling a spacegoat mage as soon as Cata hits. I love the Draenei. Probably my favorite Alliance race.
It's also the only playable race that Warcraft has that is completely original, as Lolotea said.
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Post by
Skreeran
It's also the only playable race that Warcraft has that is completely original, as Lolotea said.
Completely original, no. The best way to sum up the Draenei is "Good demons." And that's been done already.
They are, however, one of the most interesting races in all of WoW. However, if there is bias against them from Blizzard, it's more functional bias than anything. The reason the BEs had more lore in Wrath is because they're the only race from the Horde that could even have a foothold in Dalaran lore-wise. I'd have preferred a caste of Troll mages, personally, but yeah.
And it looks like both BC races will be getting the shaft come Cata, again for practical reasons (starting zones aren't on the Azeroth server, etc.)Okay, I'll grant you that.
Draenei are
mostly
original. Blue skin, holy light, face tentacles, and the fly around in an interdimensional spaceship. Not completely original, but very original.
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