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Feral druids need to be toned down abit
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
One, the spec has to deal high damage or be almost impossible to kill.
Two, and this is the kicker, is that THE SPEC HAS TO BE EASY.
so wrong...
the only component of being OP is being imba
1) it doesnt have to be easy to be imba
2) OP doesnt only refer to damage and survivability
3) feral PvE =/= feral PvP; while feral pve is easily called harder based on its complex rotation; you can't say the same about feral pvp since there is no evidence to support it
4) regardless, a higher skill cap would be op for any class
also:
you know, the interesting thing is that no one has posted a counter-arguement.
i lold irl
Post by
Kibbles
You still havent posted a counter arguement. It DOES have to be easy, if it is a hard class with good rewards it is like playing a hunter. You still haven't given me a reason for not rolling Feral right away- except that it is too hard for you. PvP is HARDER than PvE, are you a moron? Playing against a scripted boss where you know every single move he will make and even have an ADDON that will tell you exactly what he will do, when he will do it, and lets you know up to 45 seconds in advance is *GASP* DIFFERENT from fighting someone that you have no clue what he will do and that you are basically even with in terms of everything. PvE is MOSTLY just a check to see who the morons are who stand in the fire, who needs gear, stuff like that. There ARE hard raids (PP anyone) but in PvP, since when one person kills another dies there has to be exactly an average of 1:1 kill death ratio for every match. And a higher skill cap? Are you SERIOUSLY calling something OP because it rewards the players with more skill with more rewards? I am putting this in my description, so that I never forget just how nooby a player can be.
Wildhorn, you out there? Come check this out
EDIT: Sorry, account edit is still down for me, ill have to sig part of it. Is that OK with you?
EDIT EDIT: SVS, Sig edit is down too! Would it be OK if I waited for it to come back up, or do you have a better suggestion?
Post by
goshadstep2lose
You still havent posted a counter arguement.
counter
arguments
ignoring them doesnt make them any less real
You still haven't given me a reason for not rolling Feral right away- except that it is too hard for you. waitwut? who says I don't play feral? and why would i need to roll one? Im not QQing about ferals (or anyone)
Feral PvP is HARDER than PvP, are you a moron? good counter point bro
I guess im now suppost to say "NU-UH STOOPID!"
Playing against a scripted boss where you know every single move he will make and even have an ADDON that will tell you exactly what he will do, when he will do it, and lets you know up to 45 seconds in advance is *GASP* DIFFERENT your point?
I wasn't comparing the difficulty of feral PvE to feral PvP, i was pointing out to the other readers in this thread why you are under the impression that feral is the hardest spec, and more-so, why you think its common knowledge. (its pretty commonplace to hear about the complexity of cat dps, blue posts will confirm this)
PvE is MOSTLY just a check to see who the morons are who stand in the fire, situational awareness is situation awareness, there is as much of it in pve as there is in pvp
There ARE hard raids (PP anyone) but in PvP, since when one person kills another dies there has to be exactly an average of 1:1 kill death ratio for every match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA
And a higher skill cap? Are you SERIOUSLY calling something OP because it rewards the players with more skill with more rewards? I am putting this in my description, so that I never forget just how nooby a player can be.
/facepalm
if a certain class had a noticably higher skill cap than the rest (read: your argument about the status of ferals) all serious (read: good) players would be pigeon holed into that class, since their skill would yield the most successful play through that class
edit: fixd formatting
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Post by
Kibbles
counter
arguments
In case you didn't notice, the topic (at the top of every page in this thread) is "Feral druids need to be toned down abit' not 'Ferals are better than rogues" (although that is a stupid arguement as well. How many rogues are 1800+ in 3's and 5's compared to how many ferals? Exactly)
waitwut? who says I don't play feral? and why would i need to roll one? Im not QQing about ferals (or anyone)
Well then you're ignoring the main topic (which is also at the top of the window if you haven't noticed)
Feral PvP is HARDER than PvP, are you a moron?
good counter point bro
I guess im now suppost to say "NU-UH STOOPID!"
Way to nitpick. Have you heard of a typo?
And did you notice that that might have been a *topic sentance* (the main sentance, that expresses the main idea mmkay?) that could have POSSIBLY been related to the rest of my posts? Hmm?
I wasn't comparing the difficulty of feral PvE to feral PvP, i was pointing out to the other readers in this thread why you are under the impression that feral is the hardest spec, and more-so, why you think its common knowledge. (its pretty commonplace to hear about the complexity of cat dps, blue posts will confirm this)
exactly. So if a class is hardest to play and it also has a high reward it is like getting a high-paying job that is very demanding. You are calling for a nerf to skill. Would you really want all of the immagrants pouring into the USA to suddenly become doctors and lawyers because those jobs require no skill and yet pay a lot? Hopefully not. See there is this thing called skill. Skill means that you will be able to do *better* or *worse* at a job. If you have a lot of skill, you will generally be able to do very *well* at a job. If you have little skill you will do very *poorly* at a job. And we all know that *in unison now* *The better you do at a job the more rewards you get*. Does that clear up your little problem with "OMFG HE HAS MORE SKILL AND CAN DO BETTER THAN ME NERF NERF"?
from fighting someone that you have no clue what he will do and that you are basically even with in terms of everything.
PvE is MOSTLY just a check to see who the morons are who stand in the fire, situational awareness is situation awareness, there is as much of it in pve as there is in pvp
There ARE hard raids (PP anyone) but in PvP, since when one person kills another dies there has to be exactly an average of 1:1 kill death ratio for every match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA
brb no youtube on this computer
And a higher skill cap? Are you SERIOUSLY calling something OP because it rewards the players with more skill with more rewards? I am putting this in my description, so that I never forget just how nooby a player can be.
/facepalm
if a certain class had a noticably higher skill cap than the rest (read: your argument about the status of ferals) all serious (read: good) players would be pigeon holed into that class, since their skill would yield the most successful play through that class
Since of COURSE ferals have SO MUCH of a higher skill cap than the rest.
Let's list everything that can easily kill a feral (when the feral has the opener)-
bDK,fDK,uhDK,pPal,rPal,aWar,pWar,fWar,aRogue,sHunt,mmHunt,aLock
Let's list every healer that Feral can't kill because they lack any CC that is off stun DR and can be damaged through-
rDruid,hPal,rSham,dPriest
Now let's do the same for rogues (assuming the rogue has the opener)
Easily kills rogue-
Healers that the rogue can't kill-
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
In case you didn't notice, the topic (at the top of every page in this thread) is "Feral druids need to be toned down abit' not 'Ferals are better than rogues" ok? i wasnt responding to tyrel, i learned long ago that everything he says should be ignored
I was responding to the points you made, not the "points" made in the op, wonder why? (hint: there were none)
(although that is a stupid arguement as well. How many rogues are 1800+ in 3's and 5's compared to how many ferals? Exactly) do you even know?
better yet, do you even grasp the implications of this information?
Well then you're ignoring the main topic (which is also at the top of the window if you haven't noticed) arguing that we should stay on the op's topic when the op is tyrel is a pretty p*sspoor platform fyi
and Im not the one going on a tangent, i have only (as always) responded to points already made
Way to nitpick. Have you heard of a typo?
And did you notice that that might have been a *topic sentance* (the main sentance, that expresses the main idea mmkay?) that could have POSSIBLY been related to the rest of my posts? Hmm? could another poster in this thread tell me what to make of this response
i guess im just tired
exactly. So if a class is hardest to play and it also has a high reward it is like getting a high-paying job that is very demanding. and the point which you have miss again, is that classes should all have equal opportunity to do well in pvp
You are calling for a nerf to skill. no Im not,
at all
I dont believe feral is OP at all, Im just pointing out that by your own logic (ie ferals have a higher skill cap) you are unknowingly supporting the theory that feral is op
just because i point out the incongruities in your arguments doesnt mean I agree/disagree with what you are saying
Would you really want all of the immagrants pouring into the USA to suddenly become doctors and lawyers because those jobs require no skill and yet pay a lot? poor analogy is extremely poor
especially when it suggests that immigrants inherently lack the skill to become doctors and lawyers
Hopefully not. See there is this thing called skill. Skill means that you will be able to do *better* or *worse* at a job. If you have a lot of skill, you will generally be able to do very *well* at a job. but if one job that has requires the same skill set (another class) but its rewards for skill are much greater (higher skill cap)....
If you have little skill you will do very *poorly* at a job cool story
the same doesnt hold true for
every single other class and aspect of the game
you just are under the impression that your class requires more skill to play due to some bloated ego
btw, thank you for the next post
Let's list everything that can easily kill a feral (when the feral has the opener)-
bDK,fDK,uhDK,pPal,rPal,aWar,pWar,fWar,
aRogue
,sHunt,mmHunt,aLock gtfo, while not 100% on the others, i can tell from your idea of rogue vs. feral that you are just plain terrible (for instance, I have serious doubts about ferals having trouble with any dks in their current form)
Let's list every healer that Feral can't kill because they lack any CC that is off stun DR and can be damaged through- not every class needs a stun, sorry you missed it, but i heard druids were busy getting their hands on some extra mobility and hots when they were handing out the stuns
Easily kills rogue- frost mage, ret,any hunter, feral, prot anything fixd
Healers that the rogue can't kill- kay, so you dont understand the mechanics of healer vs dps either
aside from a few exceptions (say 1 healer per dps) healers will always win in a 1v1 against a dps
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Post by
cloudp
You are calling for a nerf to skill. no Im not,
at all
I dont believe feral is OP at all, Im just pointing out that by your own logic (ie ferals have a higher skill cap) you are unknowingly supporting the theory that feral is op
just because i point out the incongruities in your arguments doesnt mean I agree/disagree with what you are saying
This part of the argument puzzles me. I mean, having a higher skill cap doesn't inherently make a class OP - it just means it rquires more mental quickness and better understanding of the game to be
as viable
as a class with a lower skillcap. The point raised by Kibbles, however, kinda confuses this.
The big issue here is the assumption that "higher skill cap = more rewarding". It might be for some, it isn't for others. In a game as complex as World of Warcraft, and a thing as ever-changing as this game, you can't ever consider this. In fact, some players only play their main class to high ratings "competitivelly", ignoring how buffed or nerfed some patch made them. That can also be considered rewarding - sticking to a class no matter what. Deathknights in season 5 paired with a holy paladin were extremelly facerollable by any idiot. But there are players out there sticking to this comp, even if it is much less represented nowadays. Also, people may, plain and simply, dislike Feral playstyle. I, for instance, played all classes, but can't simply play a hunter properly. They're easy enough, but i find them too much against my playstyle. You may not think this.
Good players feel joy in playing what they like to high ratings. I know I would feel much less joy in getting a class I don't like to 2500, even if it's the hardest on the game. Perhaps it could be an e-peen status symbol, but for some, that's worthless.
Also, stop using arena rankings with limited players. Those never work. Just because an extremelly skilled disc priest went 71/0/0 to an arena for the heck of it, that doesn't make the spec viable.
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Kibbles
O hai, I'll just leave this here. Don't mind me.
Sorry, im minding you.
So the top Feral is... at 32nd place.
Feral--------2385 5v5, 2639 3v3.
Rogue------2685 5v5, 3000 3v3
Knowing that 5v5 and 3v3 are the only places to get the best gear...
Discussion closed.
If you really want to talk about how ferals are way better than rogues start your own thread, this is simply a stupid idea from a forum troll that got out of hand
Post by
goshadstep2lose
O hai, I'll just leave this here. Don't mind me.
Sorry, im minding you.
So the top Feral is... at 32nd place.
Feral--------2385 5v5, 2639 3v3.
Rogue------2685 5v5, 3000 3v3
Knowing that 5v5 and 3v3 are the only places to get the best gear... youre doing it wrong
3v3
5v5
and all the arena rankings prove is that resto remains more viable than feral nothing new
Discussion closed. a dodge is a dodge however you dodge it
If you really want to talk about how ferals are way better than rogues start your own thread, this is simply a stupid idea from a forum troll that got out of hand i don't know who you are referring to, but no one has claimed that feral is more viable than rogues since ive been here, its just been said a few times that ferals beat rogues, which is common knowledge
obvious hard counter is obvious
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