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Meggie
Another use may be to finally allow holy dps. The priest will be spamming Holy Nova and will be using Life Grip to pull melee out of range and to interrupt spellcasting of ranged dps.
Post by
TalonX
And on the other hand, why should only Shadowpriests have to take the penalty when they already lost Abolishing Disease in Shadowform, and Misery?
This makes me laugh every time I see it because it wasn't till WotLK that we could use Abolish Disease in Shadow Form and now they're like, "well I guess it's time to take that away", I wonder if we will get it back in 5.0 :P
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Post by
Sinespe
Two globals might not seem like much, but in the heat of the moment, two globals especially for a task that is not related to my primary task which IS dealing damage do count.
No. The difference between downing a boss and wiping are never
two GCDs
of
one
DPS out of the 5-17 present in the raid. Assuming that Shadow Priests will be capable of 10k DPS in the first raid of Cataclysm, the loss of two GCDs amounts to a loss of 30k damage at most. With LK10N having 17m health, we can expect 10-man N bosses in the first Cataclysm raid to have at least that much, rising to 30m and beyond. (30,000/17,000,000)*100 = 0.17% of a boss's health. 0.17%. You know a 1% wipe? A 0.17% wipe is over 5 times lower than that. In the past I have relinquished a full minute of DPS time on Anub'arak-10-H in order to assist on healing when our Penetrating Cold healer snuffed it during phase 3, and we still downed him in spite of that loss of ~300,000 damage (Which, if you're taking notes, is roughly 7% of his total health; and roughly 16% of his remaining health counting from the start of phase 3) and the VE healing that goes with it.
In PvE, your primary task is to use the tools you have available to help kill the boss. That is true whether you are a tank, healer or DPS. A lot of your tools as a Shadow Priest are designed to deal damage to the boss. Some of your tools are not designed to deal damage to the boss. Ignoring the lesser-used elements of your skill set just because the six spells you use predominantly are damage spells? You might as well reroll Rogue and refuse to use Tricks of the Trade.
Additionally, you're claiming that Death Grip has "No penalty"? Use it as a DPS-specced and -geared Death Knight on an Icecrown mob. See how much health you have left at the end of three seconds' unavoidable aggro on that mob. It is a larger risk than you seem to think. Besides, comparing something used to grip ENEMIES to something used to grip FRIENDS is pretty retarded.
And I would like bliz to stop making shadow priests go out of form all the time.
They slashed the mana cost of Shadowform to a third of its original value. Blizzard does not agree with you that you should not sometimes be dropping form. And I agree with them.
The difference between a good hybrid and a great hybrid? The great ones remember that they are hybrids.
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Sinespe
nd in those situations when Life Grip will be most used the GCD's DO count.
So, pulling someone 30 more yards away from a Raging Spirit < two GCDs of one DPS class? Even if it only brought them one GCD's worth of distance out of range, that's one GCD's worth for
4-16 other DPS classes
.
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Kataly
Dropping form to heal because some other healer failed (bad rng, it CAN happen!) should be the first reaction to ANY shadowpriest. Sinespe gave you a perfect example where a wipe would have happened if he didn't drop form to help heal, Kiyomii. Other classes have other cooldowns to help SAVE others too. Does that mean as a DPS, they should never use them? No. You use all the tools in your arsenal when the time arises to use them. That means stopping DPS to heal at times when you know a wipe would happen if you didn't.
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Sinespe
I was debating was the question if it is justified to penalise Shadowpriests by not letting it be used in Shadowform compared to other specs/classes.
Yes, it is, because the cost is worth the reward. If you think it's not, then fine, but try justifying "I don't think it's fair that I have to drop Shadowform for one spell on this fight, even if it's an incredibly important job and will help us down the boss" to a raid leader. See how far it gets you.
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Post by
OscarDivine
The curious exception to this rule may be Holy priests which, apparently, will be able to dispel offensive magic, defensive magic, diseases, and poison-on-self via Body and Soul (this isn't that big a deal since the GCD cost to dispel poison is at least 2) thus allowing themselves to dispel more types of things than any other healer.
While this is technically true, BnS self-poison cleanse is marginal compared to a paladin's bubble. TECHNICALLY, they dispel ALL debuffs on them when they bubble, so they can "dispel" more types of debuffs than any other healer. If we're going there that is.
Post by
ChrisScott
I think they should be simplying talents a lot in cataclysm, get rid of all the marginal talents that have accreted over the past few years - not add more.
Post by
TalonX
I think they should be simplying talents a lot in cataclysm, get rid of all the marginal talents that have accreted over the past few years - not add more.
They are redoing the talent trees completely, Leap of Faith, Mind Spike are new skills not talents, and guess what they are simplifying them by making it where you can choose more of the talents you want and worry less about X talent increasing healing/damage/hp/threat by X amount cause those are built into the trees now.
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Sinespe
The curious exception to this rule may be Holy priests which, apparently, will be able to dispel offensive magic, defensive magic, diseases, and poison-on-self via Body and Soul (this isn't that big a deal since the GCD cost to dispel poison is at least 2) thus allowing themselves to dispel more types of things than any other healer.
I can't wait for Season 9. "OMFG NERF HOLY PRIESTS QQ"
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Sinespe
Okay, then: Yes, because it's a spell which targets a friendly unit and not an enemy. Feel free to come back with "(Mass) Dispel". You'll find it's the only Cataclysm-relevant exception -- and you may find that they choose to separate the spell's components into Dispel (Friendly) and Dispel (Hostile) if they wish to give each a different mana cost.
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