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Post by
Docholiday77
You have a lot of hit rating. Get that down to ~200 rating asap. Cap your expertise.
Post by
Porcell
hey guys,
i've made a few posts in the last few days as i'm really trying to get my warrior up to par for most raids and to help my guild progress. i'm really enjoying playing the fury warrior and im just looking for some advice on how to improve and if im on the right track!
here is my armory -->
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmourne&cn=Arelaais
i've just about got the sons of hodir shoulder enchant, i will be enchanting my cloak and legs, i will have the ashen verdict agi ring soon also and will be adding in some more gems. I hope to grab the NES trinket soon also (done about 17runs so far with no luck) otherwise i will purchase the Mirror of Truth trinket.
thanks :)
The gemming seems weird to me. I understand you are making some changes still, so maybe you are in the process of fixing it. But things like the helm; You have a 10Str/10Crit in a blue socket that has a +8 Strength bonus. That doesn't make any sense to me. In the first way it's wrong because you should only ever use a combo gem if you are trying to match a socket, and since you aren't then you should be using a straight +20Str or +20ArP gem. Secondly it's wrong because +8 Strength socket bonus is definitely one you should be going for, even as a blue socket. This would be the prime spot to stick your Nightmare Tear to activate your Meta.
Secondly your Meta; You should switch it to the +21 Agility Meta. Once you switch to +21 Agility, you put one Nightmare Tear into the blue socket that gives you the highest Strength socket bonus, and then you are done.
Once you switch your Meta and find the one place that your Nightmare Tear goes (in your case the helm), then gemming becomes simple. Now that we've taken your helm out of the equation, you can put a +20 ArmorPen gems into every socket. If a piece of gear has a blue socket in it, it automatically gets filled in ArP gems. If a piece of gear has a single yellow socket and a good socket bonus (cutoff would be probably +6 Strength, like your
Legs
) then you would put a 10Strength/10Crit gem in it to activate the socket, since 16 Strength and 10 Crit is going to be worth slightly more than 20 strength (trading 4 strength for 10 crit).
Even then, you wouldn't really be going wrong if you went +21 Agility Meta, Nightmare Tear in your best socket (helm in your case) and then blindly put +20 ArP into every other socket you had.
I also notice you are a JC but have no Dragon's Eyes. You should fix that too.
Other than that, you look pretty alright. Your hit is WAY high at 12%, you really should get down closer to 5-6%. If you could replace both of those trinkets, that would probably be good.
Post by
lonewarrior
You could replace the 21crit rate/3% crit meta with a +21agi meta/3%crit...but the numbers are about the same...sort of like 20 strength or 40 attack..except for the minor residual you end up with the same major stat boost.
In regards to your hit...my gear also at the moment has me with a ton of hit..so why not just take the points out of precision for now. You can put them in improve berserker rage. You have 3/3 in intensity rage so this reduces the refresh time of berserker rage/bloodrage. Put them in a macro together with berserker rage first and you can pop yourself and instant 40 rage and have another approx 13 over the next 10 seconds with your spec. Then you can pop that macro every 20 seconds for +20 rage and/or every 40 secs for +50. Rage is always a good thing. :) . I see you specced charge and minor glyphed it as well. Except to open with shattering throw, there is no reason to be in battle stance and so charge is useless. The macro above will give you all the rage you need to open with if you want to use intercept.
You can also put 2 more points into unbridle wrath..I did some testing on it and you will see a significant improvement in your rage. The options are up to you. Also with the 30 rage cap on Execute..the improve execute becomes kind of moot. It's not bad mind you..but you could use the glyph of execute and use those points elsewhere.
Also I see no reason for points in booming voice. There are 2 minor glyphs available that will extend the time for both command shout and battle shout. Put those points into commanding presence. 5/5 points will increase the attack power of battleshout by 137. In a raid with melee and hunters that is nothing to sneeze at.
Now I know the flavor of the month is armor pen..and I am in no way going to speak against gemming it...it's just that on some reputable WoW websites..prelimary spreadsheet stats are starting showing that against higher armor targets..it's proving to be less effective. Don't want to extend this post too long with what I read and I am not sure if you can link outside sources here..so just do the search. I have for the moment just let armor pen come on my gear and am fortunate enough to have the armor pen trinket. Otherwise I gem crit in some form in every slot.
If you understand how the dice roll for white/yellow attacks work..you will see nothing does more to up your dps than critical strikes..so much so that again spreadsheet statistics are showing that Blizz has incorporated a 4.8 percent crit suppression for warriors and rogues.
Well hope this helps a bit..along with the other advice your getting.
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Post by
marklartank
You can also put 2 more points into unbridle wrath..I did some testing on it and you will see a significant improvement in your rage.
define "significant".
Post by
lonewarrior
Ok I copied the page in regards to armor pen..interpret it as you will.. The info is 2009.
ArP, Armor Penetration, & You - Understanding ArP
THIS IS WORTH THE READ...but it is a wall-o-text...and be forewarned there is some math involved...but don’t worry I did it all for you AND put a picture up to make it easier. :(
I’m still trying to research the Arms Pen thing. I read a few good articles but for the most part the advice has been: “Let your armor be your ArP and gem strength and crit”.
I know of a few people who have gemmed completely for ArP both fury and arms both PVE and PVP and quite honestly I to am as lost about a decent amount of ArP to have.
As it stands right now warrior ArP is a budding science and testing is being done on the pvp and pve front. ArP is something you definitely want to get, but how much is the question.
Personally I’m still relying on crit.
Below are the mechanics behind ArP which basically says that there are two numbers used in ArP calculations:
Number 1 – Target Armor
Number 2 – “the Cap”
The % in your tool tip is multiplied against the lower of these two numbers. Number 1 is easy to find, “the Cap” is a little more difficult and requires a small degree of math.
For a level 80 target, C=15232.5. For a level 83, C=16635.
“the Cap”= (Target Armor + C)/3
So basically of “the Cap” and the Target armor the lesser of the two values is selected then multiplied by the % in your tool tip to find just how much armor is reduced.
Take a deep breath
Because the math goes bonkers from here but I put a nice little picture to make it easier for my warrior brethren. (it's a crappy pic but the math is there if you look hard enough)What this picture does is basically identifies the point where your % tool tip effects either the Target Armor or the “the Cap”
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__UIsKVLi-ic/SlzVRrr7pjI/AAAAAAAAATM/GW_VrGf59_I/s400/ArP.bmp
<<<<chart link
At 7617 target armor we see that a level 80 is no longer having their ARMOR reduce, but rather “the Cap”. This is important because we can see that a 30% ArP affects things differently beyond this point (yellow line)
The green shows that the target armor is less than the “the Cap” so the 30% is used on the Green to calculate the armor ignored.
The Peach color shows that “the Cap” is less than the target armor so the 30% is used on the Peach to calculate the Armor Ignored.
Based on this we can see that a target with 1000 armor being hit with ArP of 30% does in fact have 300(30%) of their armor ignored.
We can also see that a target with 10k Armor has 2523(25%) of their armor ignored, which is less than the tool tip shows.
So to summarize the results the MORE armor something has past 7617 the LESS of a % your actually ArP reduces their armor by. In fact you can see the effectiveness of your ArP hits about 50% when a level 80 target has 30000 armor.
So what does it all mean then...
You will get more bang for your buck attacking low armor targets and it would seam that classes sitting in the 7600 range of armor are the optimal of choice.
Vs plate and such ArP loses some of it’s effectiveness as far as ignored armor.
Originally posted by GhostCrawler:
We didn’t want Armor Penetration Rating to be too powerful against low armor targets, like it had been in BC. We also didn’t want Armor Penetration Rating to be too powerful against high armor targets.So, we decided on a system where there is a cap on how much armor the Armor Penetration Rating can be applied to. So, the first X armor on the target is reduced by the percentage listed in the Armor Penetration Rating tooltip, and all armor past that X is unaffected. Another way of understanding that is we multiply the percentage in the tooltip times the minimum of the two values: the cap, and the amount of armor on the target after all other modifiers.Computing the cap is a little tricky unless you are already familiar with how World of Warcraft armor works. There is an armor constant we’ll call C. C is derived as follows (in some pseudocode):If (level<60)c=400+85*targetlevelelsec=400+85*targetlevel+4.5*85*(targetlevel-59);for c="15232.5." c="16635.The" c="15232.5." 3="8320.5.">
You can also put 2 more points into unbridle wrath..I did some testing on it and you will see a significant improvement in your rage.
define "significant".
Here is the chart I used to help me spec and I have absolutely no rage problem.
Rank table
Rank & Chance (Procs per minute, 1 proc = 1 rage point)
1/5 = #3 PPM (#6 with two weapons)
2/5 = #6 PPM (12 with two weapons)
3/5 = #9 PPM (18 with two weapons)
4/5 = 12 PPM (24 with two weapons)
5/5 = 15 PPM (30 with two weapons)
The proc chance for each weapon changes depending on his speed, but always keeps 3 ppm per point of talent and weapon. Here's a rank table with popular weapon speeds.
Personally I think the best thing you can do is activate the talent Anger Management before any point on Unbridled Wrath, since Anger Management brings 20 PPM and Unbridled Wrath provides only 6 PPM per rank. My spec in Fury has Anger Management and 4/5 Unbridled Wrath.
1/1 AM + 4/5 UW: 20 PPM + 24 PPM = 44 PPM
0/1 AM + 5/5 UW: #0 PPM + 30 PPM = 30 PPM
Post by
marklartank
that entire post on armorpen is about PVP. we don't raid level 80 bosses with 30k armor.
for UW, you are assuming the 3 PPM is doubled when you dual wield - even if that is so, 6 rage
per minute
is a pretty weak talent point spent.
so it was an OK, but very weak talent a month ago. now that it doesn't proc off HS or cleave anymore, well..... that proc rate just went waaaaay down for most fury warriors.
Post by
lonewarrior
I understand there are no such bosses in the game with that much armor.
here is a dated link that discusses boss armor value.
http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t37584-wrath_boss_armor_testing/p2/
If armor in raids mitigates damage differently then in pvp...so be it. I'm just helping the poster out with information..it's up to him/her to follow up on it.
My point was to present the idea that ArP isn't the be all..end all of stats.
I know of a few people who have gemmed completely for ArP both fury and arms both PVE and PVP and quite honestly I to am as lost about a decent amount of ArP to have.
So I think its save to assume the post is talking about ArP for both playing styles.
In regards to rage and UW..
A.) It's just a matter of distributing points more efficiently..I just think 2 points there is just better then 2 points in booming voice. UW never was nor is now the most efficient way to build rage..but rage is rage and fury need to get it where we can.
B.) you say 6ppm ..but that's with one point. The OP had 2 in it and 1 in AM. Adding 2 more points would double the PPM. Also if you want to see AM at work..just taunt something and watch your rage bar.
C.) Agree..you can't get rage off HS..but that's why you glyph it..so if you crit..you get 10 rage.
So..before this become a private debate..I'll leave it to the OP to interpret the info..I'll just step aside.
Post by
marklartank
ok, but just to clarify, i think you misunderstood what i was saying about HS.
i'm not talking about not getting white swing rage when you HS; i'm talking about UW not working when you HS. so the 6 PPM (per talent point) is only valid if you never HS - unfortunately fury warriors HS a lot, so UW is very, very little rage generation.
i would much rather have booming voice for 6 minute battle shouts (or 6 minute commanding shouts since the OP said he wants to help his raid out).
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Post by
Sakkura
thanks for that Brokle i will keep trying for the ArP trinket and if I still have no luck soon I will switch to all strength!
i have also just made this talent tree -->
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LhbG0fhZhxf0Ebk0eRVzAo:MGo0oz
what do you guys think? I am better off switching my talents to the above?
Improved rend is useless for a fury specced warrior, and I doubt it's worth it to skip 3/3 precision. You should lose hit on gear, not from your spec. Mainly because you can get better stuff instead of the hit by swapping gear than by swapping talents.
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335637
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Post by
marklartank
thanks for that Brokle i will keep trying for the ArP trinket and if I still have no luck soon I will switch to all strength!
the thing is, a complete (and very expensive) regemming of all of your reds is going to make a small dps difference one way or the other at your level of armorpen.
download landsoul's latest spreadsheet or download rawr and play with it both ways on paper before you spend the gold.
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