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Demonology Raid Buff vs. Elemental Shaman Raid Buff
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Post by
CDNEH
I figured i would make a new post of this after posting in the FAQ section(then deleted it) because i could not find a discussion on this topic anywhere on WoWHead.
My guild has a lack of Warlocks. None in 25m. So i swaped out from tanking to get a lock in the group. I was Destruction as thats what i play in PvP and my macros ect are still good in PvE.
After reading more about locks in 25m raids, i switched over to Demonology(for the first time) to give the entire raid the buff.
Last night i ran my first ICC as a lock. Here is what came up....
AOE Damage. HUGE compared to Destruction.
Single target was lacking a bit compared to Destro. But i knew that.
Overall not to bad.
Concerns from some in the guild, that the BUFF provided by the demo lock isn't worth loosing the DPS provided by the other builds.
it would be really nice to have an elemental shaman. while the demo lock buff is nice, the dps that demo locks themselves put out is sub par. if we had an elemental shaman, we could free up the buff lock for dps and hit that--ele shamans put out quite a bit when used appropriately.
This guild member is an Enhancement Shaman. I believe he would rather have an Elemental Shaman and use his buff and have me go back to Aff or Destro for the higher dps and use the Lower Elemental Shaman Buff(We dont have an Ele Shaman). Also assuming by his comment that Elemental Shaman's DPS is lower too? And dont you need to be in range of his totem vs a raid wide buff?
Anyone clarify this for me? I can easily respec out if it better for our guild.
Thanks
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Post by
asakawa
yup, at this point demo is pulling ahead of destro at higher gear levels and is totally comparable at all gear levels. any lack you were seeing is most likely due simply to less practice at playing demo.
if you have an ele shaman then i wouldn't call a demo lock mandatory for your raid but it is still very much preferred and a definite buff to the raid as a whole.
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Post by
CDNEH
Im not even T10 geared. In the trash pulls i hit 10k dps in icc which surprised me. On the first boss i pulled 5k.. second i pulled 4.5k deathbringer i pulled 4.7k. From my stats that's pretty damn close to what i pulled in Destruction.
Currently with no Elemental Shaman in our group, i think that a Demo locks use is better then if i went back to Destruction.
As for the shaman vs Lock buff, say in full t10 icc gear (not heroic) would the buffs be the same? or would one pick up more then the other?
You need to also be in ranged for the shamans totems to gain the buff right?
Post by
asakawa
DP surpasses ToW at MUCH earlier gear levels than tier 10 if that's what you're asking. i've had more than 2800 SP for a long time now.
what fmatt says about it actually being mandatory probably isn't over the top.
you need to be in range of the totems to get their effect but if they're well placed this shouldn't pose an issue.
regarding target switching, demo can do great with target switches. a demo lock that doesn't need to tank the princes can have 100% uptime on decimate ^_^
Post by
CDNEH
Awesome, thanks for the info! Im sure on our guild forms this will be discussed a lot. I know my single target is a bit low. The Shaman who questioned me going Demon was pulling about 8-9k total dps for the raids and i think wants to see me pulling the same in Destro or Affliction instead of less and giving the group a raid buff.
Anyone know off the top how much sp(or bonus) the elemental shaman totem gives? I know the Demo's buff is 10% of the casters SP(or so i read).
Thanks again asakawa
Post by
asakawa
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as soon as you have more than 2800 spellpower
fully raid buffed
then your buff is pulling ahead. before it was so common i think we used to suggest 3500 spellpower being a good point for demo to be useful.
Post by
CDNEH
BAH i could have looked that up.. +3 Idiot Points for me
Thanks for your time Asakawa. You've been a Huge help with this.
Post by
orloxgr
dont forget +3% crit of the totem. also our buff has around 90% uptime? do the math :P
Post by
zkreso
there's +5% crit on shadow bolt though. And if there's a demo warlock in raid the shaman is free to use a more damaging totem, which would up his dps, so I don't see what he is complaining about.
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