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Holy - Do I suck for gemming crit?
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Post by
donnymurph
So, my new priest
Tannaria
made it to 80 about 3 days ago. The last time I had an 80 holy priest was in 3.0.9 (and it was on a private server :/).
Currently I'm grinding heroics for badges. All I really still want from badge gear is the 245 Triumph helm, the 245 Triumph trinket, and the 232 Conquest belt. Then get my
Royal Moonshroud Bracers
made. Depending how much time I get to do that, I should be raiding 3.1 and 3.2 content by no later than the end of next week, which will become my main source of gear. Unbuffed stats are currently sitting at about 20K mana, 2K SP, 450MP5, 23% holy crit and 7% haste.
Depending on the presence/lack of a pally or druid, and whether I remember to refresh my
Flask of the North
or not, my GHeal is hitting for between 6.5 - 8K and critting for 12-15K, while my mana fluctuates between 60%-80% over the course of the entire dungeon without drinking of popping Shadowfiend (down to about 40% after a boss fight or in the ICC dungeons). So my regen is a little overgeared at the moment, while I could do with some bigger heals.
Now the thing is, at the moment I am gemming
Potent Ametrine
and
Sundered Eye of Zul
(although I am going to ditch the green gems - they were just a result of me being silly and going for socket bonuses). Every time I spam trade for a JC to cut one, or a friend Armories me, I get whispers like:
"Your gems are sh!t"
"Crit? Fail!"
"You're a priest, not a pally" etc.
Actually, in general, gearing up a priest can be a bit of a minefield of conflicting opinions:
"Holy priests NEED spirit"
"Spirit is a marginal stat"
"Stack spirit"
"You don't need to actively chase spirit"
"Gemming for intel is fail"
"Intel is the best regen stat, and it gives you crit"
"22K unbuffed is fine for holy"
"You'll want 32K unbuffed for ICC"
and blah blah blah...
Anyway, getting to the point, the way I see it is, I will get plenty of intel and spirit from my gear. Eventually I will have a fair bit of crit from my gear. I want to always maintain 25% holy crit, as while stats always fluctuate, crit is probably the biggest playstyle factor in holy gearing (I think so anyway), so I want to keep it steady. At the moment this means gemming for it. As I get more from gear, and the Hodir (and Kirin Tor?) enchants, I can start to replace crit gems with
Reckless Ametrine
and
Runed Cardinal Ruby
. But if I'm still short of 25% holy crit, I will throw in a gem or two to lift it.
So is this a sound idea or am I doing something wrong?
(Also any comment on spec wold be nice. I'm thinking of dropping Empowered Renew back to 1/3, as that talent is mostly just used as an extra tool to proc SoL, and put the point into Empowered Healing.)
Thanks in advance for advice :)
EDIT: Wow, just saw my post, apologies for wall of text :/
Post by
OscarDivine
If you're going to gem for something other than spellpower, gem for Haste.
edit... PURE spellpower.
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Post by
donnymurph
Just for the record, all of those statements I listed were specifically directed towards holy priests.
My playstyle depends on my mood at the time. Sometimes (rarely) i just work at keeping the whole group topped off and always keep weakened soul on the tank (in 5 mans obviously). Sometimes I'll lay back for a bit and see how the encounter is going (ie how much damage is going around) before I decide how I'm going to heal it, and usually just focus on keeping everyone above 75%. If I'm bored I'll try to keep the whole group around the 25% for a bit of a thrill.
According to Skada my most used heals are PoM, CoH and FHeal (I use it with and without SoL).
I sometimes keep my serendipity up for a while before I use it.
Empowered Renew, as I said above, is mostly used as an extra SoL proccing tool, and I'll either renew someone to top them off (overheal) or if they have a dot which i can't dispel.
I GHeal anyone below 50%.
If I'm in trouble I spam binding heal, or use my AoEs to keep myself up.
PoH, I might use once or twice a dungeon.
Despite the fact that I have GS glyphed, I still only use it as an "Oh Sh!t" button.
In the raids I have done the only 3 spells I used were PoM, CoH, and SoL.
Post by
MegaVolt
You will need significantly more mana in raids than in 5mans. The fact that you are not OOMing in those 5mans really says nothing.
Crit is the worst stat to pick. If you want throughput go with SP or haste, both are fine and in the end it's personal preference. In 5mans it won't matter but in raids it will.
If you want more mana in a raid go with int. Or be friendly to your Druids so you get Innervate ;)
By the way: Gemming crit does not make you suck. You suck because of this:
If I'm bored I'll try to keep the whole group around the 25% for a bit of a thrill.
Risking a wipe for 4 other people just because you are bored - not good.
Post by
Crysania
Crit isn't so important that you
have
to maintain 25% holy crit, just try and keep it around there as you upgrade your gear. Haste will become the more critical stat as you start raiding. Like spellpower, you want to get as much as you can without hurting your other stats too much.
As far as the spirit and intellect comments go, before Wrath spirit was our main source of regen. Then in 2.4 it became dependent on intellect and replenishment was added. Spirit's importance has diminished somewhat, but it is still a good regen stat; even as good as intellect (depending the amount of int and spirit you have). 32k mana unbuffed sounds like it was meant for Disc, not Holy; your mana pool fine for your level of gear/raiding.
If you spend most of your time playing holy, I'd recommend gemming hybrid sp/spirit gems in blue sockets with +7/+9 sp bonuses and
reckless
in red/yellow. If you get to a point where you think you need a bit more regen, you can start using some
luminous
. Mp5 isn't a desirable stat for priests, unless you're just trying to activate your meta as Disc.
Post by
donnymurph
@ Megavolt.... I never let those groups wipe. Probably the thing I love most about holy is being able to bring 5 or 6 people back from the brink of death to nearly topped off so easily.
Also, as far as my regen is concerned, I am aware that it will be tested much more in a raid than in a heroic, but the point that my regen is so greatly overpowered at the moment leads me to believe that I should have no problems with it in 3.1 content, and I'll be getting more gear before I start attempting 3.2 stuff.
The important thing about those statements I listed is that none of them were from holy priests. Some were from SPriests/Warlocks, some were from Resto Shams/Holy Pallies, and some were from Tankadins. The point I was trying to make with that list (whose length I could have easily tripled) is how hard it is to find and filter useful information on holy priests, seeing
a) disco is so popular at the moment and
b) Demon Soul is renowned as one of the worst PvE servers there is, especially for a Sydney resident. The server motto is "Welcome to Demon Soul, where we worry about our progression after we outgear the instance". Therefore no careful attention to stat balancing. No-one does hard modes (even the top guilds), and just about no-one can down Yogg, even in 10N.
Post by
karlusdavius
Balance is key. The reason people gem haste is because crit can be found from various other places, in abundance.
You get 5% crit from talents. You need to make up this amount in haste in order to balance it out.
You get 5% crit from other debuffs/buffs from various classes. You need 5% haste to make this balance out.
See where this is going? Once you have around 25% holy crit, it doesn't make sense to carry on stacking. You will find that you will be needing that fast fast heals in high end content more than those big big heals.
Post by
donnymurph
Agreed. As stated, I want to consistently keep my crit chance at about 25%, simply because my healing style relies on getting SoL procs that frequently. Not topping people off means the instant 4.5K heal is needed all the time. This means, at the moment, gemming all crit is needed to rach my target.
However, I just made a
profile
outlining those 4 gear upgrades I mentioned in the OP, plus all pieces enchanted (as you can see from my Armory I have been slacking in that department at the moment). Where the enchant is from an enchanter I chose the BiS, as I have an enchanter mate who gives me free enchants. Otherwise, I was a little conservative.
Point is, I have no crit gems in this profile and I'm over my crit target. So I'll slowly work the crit gems out of my set as I go. So let's just forget that the first part of this thread even happened. Just a quick once-over of my spec and I'll be happy :)
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Post by
karlusdavius
Agreed. As stated, I want to consistently keep my crit chance at about 25%, simply because my healing style relies on getting SoL procs that frequently. Not topping people off means the instant 4.5K heal is needed all the time. This means, at the moment, gemming all crit is needed to rach my target.
Eveybodies play style relies on SoL procs :P. Saying that, more haste mans quick flash heals and other spells. It's a mix of both worlds, yet haste effects more spells in a better way than crit does.
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