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Maximum HPS for Valithria
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Post by
jrussell7289
Hey, my guild downed Valrithria 25. Took us about 4 attempts. I love the fight! Our setup:
On boss:
3x Holy Pally
1x Holy Priest (me)
On raid:
2x Resto Druid
1x Resto Sham
(occasionally I'd thow out some CoH's to help and kept PoM bouncing)
Anyways for the entire fight I just spammed greater heal. I ended up with about 8000hps. (Silly pallies at 10-12k HPS :( ) Is spamming greater heal on the boss the best HPS for single target healing? I assumed so but wanted to double check. Never had any mana problems. I was going into portals every 2-3 times they were up.
Post by
karlusdavius
flash x 3, Greater x 1. Rinse and repeat
Post by
jrussell7289
I was wondering if that would be better to build up serendipity stacks, but I never got the chance to really test it :( Thanks!
Post by
karlusdavius
if you have over 20% haste (which with good ICC gear you should be closer to 25%) you can probably hit the 2 stack mark and fire it off.
Post by
ande9249
Also, while it may not be huge on its own, consider spending some GCD's on Renew, however if you are currently glyphed into it, glyph out so it takes less from your "rotation" the extra 1k HPS might bring you closer to the holydins.
Post by
jrussell7289
I'm sitting at around 25% haste. And I was only using renew when I had to run from something, or to a portal. Our first couple attempts didn't last long as people figure out the fight, but our 3rd and then our kill attempt were the only two that lost long so I didn't really get a chance to see what's best :(
Thanks for the suggestions!
Post by
karlusdavius
renew isn't that great. I would waste a GCD on it when you can be hitting flash and Greater constantly.
Post by
MegaVolt
renew isn't that great. I would waste a GCD on it when you can be hitting flash and Greater constantly.
You know we disagree on the Renew usage and healing is very situational most of the time but this is probably the only fight where I can say with absolutely 100% certainty that Renew is always the superior cast as long as the boss isn't just about to be topped off in the next few seconds (and then what you cast doesn't matter anyway).
You will never ever get any overheal and in healing per time spent casting Renew is just the most efficient spell a holy Priest has for a single target.
So: Keep Renew up on the boss and use FH / GH whenever you can afford it.
Post by
karlusdavius
renew isn't that great. I would waste a GCD on it when you can be hitting flash and Greater constantly.
You know we disagree on the Renew usage and healing is very situational most of the time but this is probably the only fight where I can say with absolutely 100% certainty that Renew is always the superior cast as long as the boss isn't just about to be topped off in the next few seconds (and then what you cast doesn't matter anyway).
You will never ever get any overheal and in healing per time spent casting Renew is just the most efficient spell a holy Priest has for a single target.
So: Keep Renew up on the boss and use FH / GH whenever you can afford it.
Yes we do, and this time isn't any different ;)
Using flash heal instead of Renew will increase your potential healing output via Serendipity. Quicker you get those stacks, the quicker you can let off a 10k+ Greater Heal.
Assuming you have 25% haste, flash heal will hit sub 1.1 second cast time. Greater Heal, if spec'ed into divine fury, which most should be now with some exceptions (sindragosa!) your greater heal with max Serendipty will hit 1.2 seconds.
ballpark figures inc.
Assuming flash heal hits for 5500
Assuming greater heal hits 10500
Assuming unglyphed renew ticks for 3000
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Lets look at a 15 second time frame.
Flash Heal
13 x Flash Heals
14.3 second cast time
Without crit, heals for 71,500
Greater Heal
6 x Greater Heal (No Serendipty)
13.8 second cast time (If memory serves correct)
Without crit, heals for 63,000
Renew
Renew x 1
Instant
15,000
Yes i could do more math, but i'm just about to finish work and have a lovely long 2 hours drive home to Birmingham.
Within the 15 secon time frame renew will be active, Renew only does 15,00 healing. Granted, my numbers are probably off in terms of Flash, Greater and Renew, but even inflating renew, it still doesn't come close to flash or greater. Remember, this is without Serendipty involved or Critical hits (Since renew can't crit, i kept it the same across the board). Yes, renew won't over heal, but nor will flash and greater. In this instance, use renew if you have to move. Otherwise, spam spam spam.
Post by
Karrie
Except you don't spend 15 seconds casting Renew, you cast it once and forget about it.
Using your numbers one would get
Flash Heal spam over 15 seconds: 13x5500 = 71500 healing
Flash Heal spam with Renew in the background over 15 seconds: 12x5500+1x15000 = 81000 healing
So by spending one GCD (or one FH) on Renew, you would do about 10k more healing over a period of 15 seconds. And even if that one Flash Heal you 'sacrificed' for Renew would have been a crit, it still wouldn't make up for the difference (unless it also procced the 2pcT10 bonus).
Post by
OscarDivine
Except you don't spend 15 seconds casting Renew, you cast it once and forget about it.
Using your numbers one would get
Flash Heal spam over 15 seconds: 13x5500 = 71500 healing
Flash Heal spam with Renew in the background over 15 seconds: 12x5500+1x15000 = 81000 healing
So by spending one GCD (or one FH) on Renew, you would do about 10k more healing over a period of 15 seconds. And even if that one Flash Heal you 'sacrificed' for Renew would have been a crit, it still wouldn't make up for the difference (unless it also procced the 2pcT10 bonus).
The problem is that you won't actually be doing a straight Flash spam. you'll be doing Flash x3 followed by a GHeal. this 4 spell rotation can, of course, still have the renew in the background, but the timing is also
quite
spec
dependent
. I, personally, wouldn't spend the extra GCD on the Renew because I don't spec for it fully, nor do I feel that it's necessary. Let's mark out another 15 second window. Hell, let's do two. We must assume that you're properly geared with at least 23-25% haste with a 1.1 second Flash Heal, Divine Fury fully Spec'd (for faster Gheal) and that your feet are planted the entire 15 seconds.
0
1.1 - Flash (5500)
2.2 - Flash (5500)
3.3 - Flash (5500) - 3 stacks Serendipity
4.5 - Greater (11,000)
5.6 - Flash (5500)
6.7 - Flash (5500)
7.7 - Flash (5500)
8.9 - Greater (11,000)
10.0 - Flash (5500)
11.1 - Flash (5500)
12.2 - Flash (5500)
13.5 - Greater (11,000)
14.6 - Flash (5500)
Total Healing done: 88,000 --> 6,027.4 HPS
0
1.1 - Approx GCD for your Renew (15,000 over the 15 seconds)
2.2 - Flash (5500)
3.3 - Flash (5500)
4.4 - Flash (5500)
5.6 - Greater (11,000)
6.7 - Flash (5500)
7.7 - Flash (5500)
8.8 - Flash (5500)
10.0 - Greater (11,000)
11.1 - Flash (5500)
12.2 - Flash (5500)
13.3 - Flash (5500)
15.0 - Greater (11,000)
Total Healing Done - 97,500 --> 6,500 HPS
If you're off by even 0.1 seconds on casting... you lose 11,000 healing
Total Healing Done - 86,500 --> 5,733.33 HPS
Now, in a perfect world, it would be amazing not to miss that 0.1 seconds, but the spam gives you some room for relative error within that 15 second window. Obviously, the boss fight lasts much longer, and over several iterations of this 14.6 seconds (done perfectly) it would easily catch up to your situation with the renew. Furthermore, it's easier to keep up your 4 spell rotation over 15 seconds rather than trying to fit your renew perfectly within your spam rotation without either clipping it or losing a few beats of potential healing.
I vote: Spam your Flash x 3 then GHeal.
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Post by
karlusdavius
This is probably the one and only fight where i would say, don't spec SoL.
Post by
OscarDivine
This is probably the one and only fight where i would say, don't spec SoL.
it's a good thing most of us don't change spec just for a single fight.
Post by
ande9249
hmmm, nice numbers, and since I havent been able to do the fight myself, I do have one other question for the therorycrafting mind.
This fight is about healing up your target right, when faced with waves of mobs that are either slowing down your healing or damaging the target, two questions.
In this spam freindly fight, do we worry about mana efficiency so you can finish, or just say every heal is 100% as mana efficient as the other and only care about throughput?
Would a disc priest rotating in PWS's be anywhere near close on being able to helping in this fight.
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Post by
OscarDivine
If I'm going to heal this as Disco, I'm going to use my Penance on EVERY CD and spam Flash Heal. if I GHeal, I'm gonna OOM. I'll bubble on every drop of WS as well.
Post by
mojojojo101
I changed from disc to holy in this fight basically coz we didnt have another holy priest in the raid. We had an odd setup i guess;
Holy Pally and 2 resto shammys on boss full time
2 resto druids 1 disc, 1 holy healing raid and healing boss whenever we had a spare GCD.
Thing i would suggest is using GS on CD, this coupled with all your paladins using LoH for example (including ret/prot pallys) makes for some serious shizzle.
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