Post by Aadramelekh
Frankly I have no idea about what kind of addon is this Gear Score stuff, but I also don't care.
Personally when I went into ICC for the first time, my stamina tanking gear was giving me 47K HP, ~42% dodge and 32K armor self buffed with MotW. Also ~6600AP, ~42% crit, ~8% hit and 10.5% expertise.
In ICC 10 with Horn of Winter, PW: Fortitude and Blessing of Kings I was at about 56K HP, 33K armor (from the agility boost) and ~26% dodge (counting Chill of the Throne debuff). Also ~7K AP and ~45% crit. I could easily solo tank any trash pack and even two of those big
Deathbound Wards, which were casting
Saber Lashes of ~8K every 2 or so seconds.
The minimum unbuffed stats (only MotW self buff) for a Bear Tank (that knows how to tank) to go into ICC 10 and not be a headache for the healers would be, from my experience, ~38-39K HP, 30K+ armor (any lvl 232+ geared Bear without bonus armor pieces should have this anyway) and ~40% dodge. With buffs such as Kings, Fortitude, Food and Flask of Stoneblood, this Bear could reach 46-47K HP, which is more than enough at least for the first four bosses in the Lower Spire and probably for tanking Rotface in the Plagueworks as well. Festergut would be probably doable, but with extensive usage of survival cooldowns if that Bear is to tank Festergut during his three stacks phase of Inhale, when his damage is almost double (and he hits like f***ing
Big Bertha, take my word for it).
For ICC 25 I would say a decent Bear should have 45K+ HP, 30K+ armor and 42%+ dodge self buffed. Things in ICC 25 hit really hard, with Festergut hitting for ~18K normal damage and up to 35K during a Stage 3 Inhale, when he becomes a real
tank destroyer.
I may be off a bit regarding my estimate about ICC10, but as I said, my gear was already pretty pumped up when I stepped in there and as such didn't feel my life threatened very much. ICC 25 however is a different kind of fish feast. For instance, those big Deathbound Wards before Lord Marrowgar - if not tanked properly they can turn a happy raid into a slaughterhouse in a matter of seconds with their frenzied 15K Saber Lashes (and that's on a properly geared tank).
Post by Tarkeel
Gearscore is utter crap for tanks, even more so then for other roles. Don't ever use it for personal gearing.
I can easily gain 150 GS by downgrading my trinkets..
I've tanked both of the two first wings in 10, and first wing in 25, with about 39,5k hp, 31k armor and 25%-ish dodge unbuffed (acter chill ofc.). The most important part is know what to do, even on the trash.
Btw Aadra, what trinkets are you aiming for? I see only one I really want in the new content,
Sindragosa's.
Post by Aadramelekh
Btw Aadra, what trinkets are you aiming for? I see only one I really want in the new content,
Sindragosa's.
The bad thing is that my main spec isn't Bear for ICC 25, but Cat. As such I may have a hard time getting those trinkets. But anyway, my goal is 2 x
Unidentifiable Organ (heroic + normal version) for fights that involve more than 70% physical damage and combine the heroic version of the Organ with
Sindragosa's Flawless Fang for fights with more magic damage. Later on when I get enough emblems (and my gear will have progressed accordingly), I think I'll be wearing 2 stamina trinkets again before going into the ICC hard modes. And those 2 trinkets would be Sindragosa's Fang and either Satrina's Impending Scarab OR the new vendor Corroded Skeleton Key.