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Post by
Rubendesmet619
Ok, we have had this leather versus clothissue with druids plenty of times now.
I'm here to ask the rogues/ferals out there about somthing similiar.
I wanne ask you guys how you think of plates needing on agilityrings/necks/cloaks.
To take an example, the 50EoF agility cloak is just so much better itemised compared to the strength one.
What would you think of me(furywarrior) when I roll against you on f.ex. a neck with +90agility(actualy got my eyes on one of them)
Post by
Orranis
Well, on my Death Knight I almost prefer agility as Strength gives more AP but the parry compared to dodge bonus from the agility is incomprehensible. However, very rarely do you find tank plate with agility.
However, for DPS, it makes no sense. It's literally twice as beneficial for those classes, if not more because of talent bonuses, and they can have it as long as their not taking it from me.
Post by
Rubendesmet619
Not to burst your bubble but the BiS rings/necks/cloak in 3.2 were al agilitybased.
Post by
Monday
Not to burst your bubble but the BiS rings/necks/cloak in 3.2 were al agilitybased.
Which ones were they? Links please.
Post by
Adamsm
Str is good for your bear, but your cat form uses only agility for attack power.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Str is good for your bear, but your cat form uses only agility for attack power.
That's not true.
Post by
Rubendesmet619
Looks like Rawr is a little les accurate then Landsoul. One item is is a strength one here.(aka, sorry I was wrong there.
BiS stuf were for a furywarrior:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46966
agilitypieces:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47075
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47545
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47060
source is simply elitistjerks.
edit: arms has the same thing, 1 strengthbased ring(ArP/haste/2sockets) and the others are agilitybased again :p.
Also nice to f.ex. take a look at the BiS legs,
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47191
Before telling me I'm making stuf up. This is straight from landsouls. it's known to be the most accurate out there.
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Post by
Rubendesmet619
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If there's a leather/mail-wearer in the raid/group that can use it, it should go to them, for a simple reason. They can make better use of the stats than you can.
The hunter that might have won those legs would have better use of some of those stats than the warrior. The hunter would have gotten (before talents and effects that increase agility) 129 more AP than the warrior on those leggings, and if they have 3 points in Careful Aim, then there's an extra 121 AP on those, bringing its total AP before gems and stat modifiers to 422 AP, as compared to the 172 AP the warrior might get.
Ok, first of al, I wanne keep this aimed for rings and l that stuf.
Second, going from second on the BiS list to the BiSleather/mailpiece is for a warrior often a bigger upgrade then for a hunter/rogue.
I seriously start to hate the "the Xclas could have used it better" wich we al know is bullocks.
But Like I said in my first post here, I'm not here to argue as there is no point doing that, each his own choice and views, I rather asked for opinnions on what you think of sombody like me rolling for agilityrings in a random ICC25 PuG f.ex.
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Post by
Orranis
Str is good for your bear, but your cat form uses only agility for attack power.
That's not true.
^ Agility does a lot more for bears.
It gives lot's of Attack Power, as well as Crit (Which translates to
Savage Defense
), Armor, and Dodge, as compared to just attack power.
Post by
hashmel
Cats get 2 AP per point of strength, 1 AP and (1 / 83.33) crit per point of agility while having a passive 108.12% strength and agility multiplier before kings.
Rogues get gain 1 AP per point of strength, 1 AP and (1 / 83.33) crit per point of agility while having a 115% agility multiplier as sub.
Warriors get 2 AP per point of strength, 1
ranged
AP and (1 / 62.5) crit per point of agility while having a 120% strength multiplier as fury and 104% strength as arms.
Death Knights get 2 AP per point of strength and (1 / 62.5) crit per point of agility while having a 106% strength multiplier ias blood.
Paladins get 2 AP per point of strength and (1 / 52.08) crit per point of agility while having a 115% strength multiplier as ret.
Strength rings tend to have strength, stam, and 2 other stats, crit, haste, ArP, hit, or expertise.
Agility rings have agility, stam, AP, and 2 other stats, hit, expertise, crit, haste, or ArP.
Sometimes a strength ring will be better and sometimes an agility ring will be better, an upgrade is an upgrade.
Dodge doesn't do anything for dps so no point mentioning it, agility does give armor but not enough to impact armored to the teeth type talents more than say 5 AP from jewelry
Post by
Anarchy
This thread will just turn out like all the rest.
"Plate classes taking agi items are noobs, take the strength stuff"
I wish that statement was true, it mostly is for death knights, but ret paladins seem to be the rogues of the plate classes, many agi items are BiS for them.
Warriors also tend to prefer agi items because many of them have ArP and are simply better itemized.
Post by
Drefanator
Str is good for your bear, but your cat form uses only agility for attack power.
That's not true.
^ Agility does a lot more for bears.
It gives lot's of Attack Power, as well as Crit (Which translates to
Savage Defense
), Armor, and Dodge, as compared to just attack power.
bears do not gain AP from agility like cats. However the crit/dodge from Agility is more useful than the AP given by strength.
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