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Post by
barbeque
Except for the new ICC instances, you do not need any kind of high GS to complete the instance reasonably.
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Post by
Sinespe
You sound like your chance to get said #$%^head is 100%. I wonder why that is...?
That has to be one of the best burns I've read in a long time.
Post by
zerowashu
If someone shows up in my random dungeon with a 3k gs I give them the benefit of the doubt but tell them if you can't do 1500 dps you should be queuing regulars and we will kick you asap cus you're just slowing us down. I don't think it's elitist to do so, I think it should be common courtesy to be geared enough for a dungeon to queue for it. What are your thoughts?
Being that my main is a pally (tank/heal) and my primary alt is a shaman (resto/dps) I take action whenever there is a kick vote.
As in, if I get a hint of it being suggested because of someone's gear I chime in stating I will leave as well if they go through with the vote. I can get a group instantly, can you? I also add the GS obsessed DPS to my ignore which I have found other tanks and healers do more as well.
If your gear score obsessed and so great, tell me this, why aren't you in guild groups doing randoms?
Oh thats right, they don't like you either.
dumb people slow heroics down, not appropriate dps for the gear people
Post by
zerowashu
To make LFD better, Blizzard need to change few things. My suggestions are:
1, Stop the bus station effect by pre-qualify or match players with certain dungeons.
For example, no undergeared player (green and blue with no epic gears) allowed in heroic dungeon. Undergeared players must earn badges, emblems, gear drops in regular dungeons to qualify them for heroics.
This will insure more consistent match of players level in heroic random.
2, Once in group, options for leaving are:
A, Group kicked you.
B, Pay a penalty fee in 25 gold for leave party (for delaying game).
C. After second wipe, players are free to leave or stay with group.
These restrictions will reduce in game interruptions and help to improve LFD successful rate.
LOL, I would hate to be you. Your whole post comes off as, I have no friends and have to do LFD and its not fair I don't get to choose who I group with, without acknowledging people who apparently do know you won't group with you leaving you to LFD
The majority of GS whiners I meet on runs are exactly your type, so damn special but not so amazingly not in a guild or better yet, in one but no one else from your guild groups with you.
Post by
etrin
After second wipe, players are free to leave or stay with group.
with no lock outs or penalties. At first I was thinking this would be great.
But then you are going to get people who only want to do the first boss of HOR or PIT
So they try and get a wipe so they can reset and do it again.
There is always someone who will try anything.
now kick do you get locked for that? I don't know I have never been kicked
my main is tank/heal and no one has complained so far :)
But those 30 second queues are just bs LOL
Post by
Ghulag
ok I hve to chime in here.
first, wow has a built-in gear checker (eg I cannot do H HoR even though I am reasonably non raid geared (well apart from my trinks and gloves :P).
next, why should the poor fresh 80's have to wait months on end in some cases to do heroics? the reason I say this is what about the poor sod who DOESN'T get the drops, or when they DO drop loses to the other guy who needs for it? as a prime example, let's look at the ntoc Banner of victory. you want to know how many times I have seen that drop? and I have done better than 50 at least probably closer to 70 ntoc runs.
not once.
does that mean I can't do heroics? not at all.
even in a heroic I can pull between 2.5 and 3k dps consistently,and that's with NO raid content whatsoever. in fact I can safely say I have never completed ANY raid ( I started UBRS solo, but had to get offline so never completed) at any stage. why? because I know I haven't a hope in hell of getting in.
for me, LFD is the only way i can get any decent gear whatsoever.
so to the OP. if you want to ruin my last avenue of getting gear? in short, GFY.
I'll happily run wuth anyone anytime.
I've only had a couple of really bad runs, where healer wasn't healing and tank couldn't hold aggro, and even then I stucjk around.
edit: excuse typos, I typed this after 2 bottles of bournbon lol
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Post by
cosmicguen
PuG shouldn't have to be a crap shoot.
But the way its setup right now, it is a roll of dice no different than say, casino. The problem is that Blizzard give players no option in LFD.
PuGs have
always been a crapshoot.
I say again, LFD did not invent the PuG, it merely made the process of getting PuGged much faster. On my server, pre-LFD, it could take anything from 30 mins to 4 hours to finally get that group together. And no, that's not an exaggeration. I have quested for 4 solid hours, hitting /lfg every 10 mins with " LFG to " and still not found a group.
You get what you get in random. If you don't like the look of things, the only option is to bailout asap.
As it has always been. You can't possibly be implying that it not only took you an average of 20 mins to find 5 people of the right roles for your PuG, but you also had time to inspect them, armoury them, and quiz them on the upcoming run to ensure they weren't going to slow you down? I doubt it somehow.
Pre-3.3 you put your PuG together, gave it the quick once-over, got started, and
then
found out your DPS weren't up to your standards/healer couldn't heal you through the 87 packs you pulled/tank couldn't cope with you DG'ing everything in sight/etc. How is that any different from now?
If Blizzard can tweak LFD away from "one size fits all" approch, it would serve everyone well.
Ahem. I believe I said:
No. It will only ensure that only the already-geared will get to run content that is useless for them. Everyone else will be left to struggle through weeks of normals to have a shot at a couple of ilvl 200 epics, until they meet the standards of elitist pricks running heroics...and then they'll be laughed at and votekicked for the fact they have ilvl 200 epics.
The way things are going, waiting for dungeon average time is about 15-20 minutes on my server. Waiting for specific dungeons (FoS, PoS & HoR) could take even longer. Therefore, its not that much faster than make your own group the old fashion way. At least, make your own group you can see who you invite.
So why don't you do that? I'm honestly curious about this. Leaning toward previous observation myself...
I would hate to be you. Your whole post comes off as, I have no friends and have to do LFD and its not fair I don't get to choose who I group with, without acknowledging people who apparently do know you won't group with you leaving you to LFD
I am not against LFD. It serves good purpose to cross realm Pugging and to provide undergeared players (greens, blues) an equal shot at epic (purple) loots. This made gear upgrade much easier grind...As far as time saver, Its seriously debatable!
Way to change your whole argument, bro. This is nothing like what you've spouting throughout this thread. Not even close. Through this entire thread you've exhorted the idea of having one group finding tool for the uber-geared and one for newbies and the sub-raid geared.
Post by
bdeboare
I tanked a BC instance (Botanica I believed it was) with everyone below me in DPS, all sitting at around 350-400. I have to admit I wasn't excited about it, but we still cleared it.
Post by
Omnibane
Just want to express my views.
There r ppl that r simply lazy - these r most likely alt toons that know how to take advantage of the ppl.
The other undergeared ppl most likely do not know how to start.
Personally, I consider it common decency to not "punish" every undergeared ppl because of the few lazy 1s. And as said ini many previous post, y would any1 need to do heorics if u r already geared.
Previously I don't do instance simply because it is so hard to get into groups cause everybody look at ur gear and would not invite u.
That keeps me wondering how I will ever get into an instance since u need to be geared to go get the gear u need to do it...and my conclusion is...the lazy 1s r the 1s that really just want to easily gear themselves up by doing instance that they r overgeared for in a short time.
I am not against the overgeared ppl to get their badges in heroics. Only those that goes in using LFD and consider undergeared ppl inappropriate to be there. (Just don't use it as many suggested)
However, I do believe that as tanks and healers, u should "perform" sufficiently well or the run will be a major pain to grind and may end up failed. Just to be certain that I get my pt across. I said "perform", not "geared".
In any case, the PUG pretty much ensures that the group is capable of clearing the content, as many had already stated.
And again, as many stated, enjoy the run. Don't just light speed thru them - that's y the game become a grind.
And as many others, I love the new PUG. Don't hv to worry about dealing with over-self inflated d*%$kheads that hd forgotten that they were once in similar position.
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Post by
Omnibane
Just want to express my views.
There r ppl that r simply lazy -
I stopped reading here.
If you cannot see the hypocrisy of your post and the quoted line, I don't know what else can be said...
U should hv read b4 posting reply. U hv shown that u r 1 of the few lazy ppl I was refering to.
Post by
moonpuppy61
Just want to express my views.
There r ppl that r simply lazy -
I stopped reading here.
If you cannot see the hypocrisy of your post and the quoted line, I don't know what else can be said...
U should hv read b4 posting reply. U hv shown that u r 1 of the few lazy ppl I was refering to.
Omnibane, your message got lost at times in your contractions. From what I read, I think you are supporting a kind and friendly attitude to the LFD experience. I agree that a laid back attitude makes a PUG go smoother. Plus the challenge of different classes using different abilities alters each run to be a unique chance to have fun.
Timanous, please address the content as it deserves and suggest improvements rather then oblique put downs.
Omnibane please use common English and avoid contractions such as Y; b4 and ppl. Some of us on these boards are English as a second language and not having to puzzle out a contraction aids in our comprehension of the message. It also avoids sarcasm in replies.
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Post by
montezuma7
next, why should the poor fresh 80's have to wait months on end in some cases to do heroics?
You can get a full set of 80 boe blues and epics in about a day of farming gold and using the ah.
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