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Strandvaskeren
There will be people who would do nothing but sell game cards on the AH and stockpile gold. Those people would drive up the prices on the AH because they can now afford to pay whatever they wanted for whatever they wanted. Why would I sell you a stack of titanium ore for 300g, when they guy selling game cards can pay 3,000g and not even have it make a dent in his e-wallet? It would be infinitely easier to corner the market on any item at any time. Let's say you have a tailor that needs frostweave cloth and the person that does nothing but sell game cards owns all of it and he lists it for 400g. The majority of the gold would be in the minority of the player base and they can totally dictate market prices.
If the price of frostweave skyrockets to 400g I'll start listing my stash of cloth for 375g and be filled with joy every time the guy buys it to relist it at 400g. Tournament dailies alone brings me 1½-2 stacks of cloth, I'll offload it on AH and be stinking rich before you know it. So much frostweave cloth drops from every mob in Northrend, he'll go broke if he tries to corner the market..
No matter how much money some guy has, the price of items on AH will always reflect the time invested in grinding them. Lets assume that the guy manages to keep the price at 400g for a stack of frostweave. For me 400g is like 1-1½ hour of dailies and grinding. So I have to spend 1-1½ hour earning enough to buy a stack of cloth. Then I remember that I can go kill mobs and grind a stack of cloth in less than 15 minutes, so naturally I do that rather than buying of AH. I only spend 400g on an item if I judge that it will take me more than 1-1½ hour to grind it myself.
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Post by
rocketw
Blizzard would never do this, they want money!
Where do you think the card on the AH comes from? They're not gonna make a months playtime drop from the latest raid bosses.
Ah okay good point.
Post by
NeoBlackheart
what he says
OR you could spend 30 minutes/day to make ~400g.
This WOULD destroy wow....or at least it's economy. Also it would be unfair. Why you that did nothing, but can spare 15 bucks, can have more gold than me that farm gold every day?
what I see.
OR you could be elitest like me and have no life to just make gold forever
I don't like it this makes Me who farm for gold get less gold than those other people out there. I hate it.. I am broke and don't have 15 dollars a month so why should you get gold for making more real life money.
I like this idea. I have ADD/ ADHD and just don't have the patience to spend 15 mins farming. I have a hard time lvling my character enough as it is.
EDIT: If this comes off a mean or retarded sorry I have a migrane so bad I almost can't keep my eyes open.
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Post by
MischievousLoki
This is actually one of the best original ideas I've ever seen on the subject.
I doubt it'll get into the game any time soon, but I don't see how it wouldn't work.
Kudos, OP.
The only major problems I see is, if you're relying on in-game game cards and your subscription runs out before you buy a another it could cause you problems. Because you can't log in to buy more gametime with in-game funds.
This could be remedied if they ever let the auction house system work on the website (maybe connected to the armory) so you don't have to have an active subscription to buy more time.
Post by
Ksero
i can see a problem. people can buy gold for cheaper than a one month subscription fee, they would use that gold to buy the card off of the AH, this would result in inflation.
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327680
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Post by
MischievousLoki
This is no different than gold selling. In fact; i have seen numerous people in trade chat going "SELLING GAMECARD FOR 1000G" etc. I reported them. They disappeared.
The difference is, if it's an in-game item you can post on the AH, it's guaranteed not to be a scam. It also wouldn't be an illegal action that could get your account banned if it was a system blizzard implemented.
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Post by
Fukerton
If the price of frostweave skyrockets to 400g I'll start listing my stash of cloth for 375g and be filled with joy every time the guy buys it to relist it at 400g. Tournament dailies alone brings me 1½-2 stacks of cloth, I'll offload it on AH and be stinking rich before you know it. So much frostweave cloth drops from every mob in Northrend, he'll go broke if he tries to corner the market..
No matter how much money some guy has, the price of items on AH will always reflect the time invested in grinding them. Lets assume that the guy manages to keep the price at 400g for a stack of frostweave. For me 400g is like 1-1½ hour of dailies and grinding. So I have to spend 1-1½ hour earning enough to buy a stack of cloth. Then I remember that I can go kill mobs and grind a stack of cloth in less than 15 minutes, so naturally I do that rather than buying of AH. I only spend 400g on an item if I judge that it will take me more than 1-1½ hour to grind it myself.
That's only 1 item in an AH comprised of thousands of different items and one player. Imagine thousands of players doing the same thing to thousands of different items. You've eliminated the vast majority of the player base from being able to afford to buy anything from the AH. Every player now has to become entirely self sufficient. Congratulations. You've just eliminated casuals from the game. I'm sure Blizzard would love that.
Post by
rajaza
Isnt this basically buying your gold?
think about it - prices would be roughly what gold sellers prices are, say 1000g was £5, and subscription is £10/month, prices would be 1000g/month, meaning it's like trading £10 for ~1000g.
Post by
Arathian
what he says
OR you could spend 30 minutes/day to make ~400g.
This WOULD destroy wow....or at least it's economy. Also it would be unfair. Why you that did nothing, but can spare 15 bucks, can have more gold than me that farm gold every day?
what I see.
OR you could be elitest like me and have no life to just make gold forever
I don't like it this makes Me who farm for gold get less gold than those other people out there. I hate it.. I am broke and don't have 15 dollars a month so why should you get gold for making more real life money.
I like this idea. I have ADD/ ADHD and just don't have the patience to spend 15 mins farming. I have a hard time lvling my character enough as it is.
EDIT: If this comes off a mean or retarded sorry I have a migrane so bad I almost can't keep my eyes open.
I have 200g on me. I play 10 hours a week,and mostly at this time i raid. I am damn poor. BUT i don't think that i should have as much money as some people that work their asses off and/or lost much of their time to learn how to use AH.
So take you idiotical ass off this thread and go troll someone else mmkay?
edit: actually i wanna clarifie. I have np arguing against me. Trolling me and calling me elitist DOES annoy me. I have never been elitist in my life and everything i do goes against that.
Post by
Strandvaskeren
That's only 1 item in an AH comprised of thousands of different items and one player. Imagine thousands of players doing the same thing to thousands of different items. You've eliminated the vast majority of the player base from being able to afford to buy anything from the AH. Every player now has to become entirely self sufficient. Congratulations. You've just eliminated casuals from the game. I'm sure Blizzard would love that.
That dog won't hunt.. I remember when I started playing back in early 2005, the 100g for my first mount was a HUGE amount of gold. I spend weeks farming, playing the AH and all that..
Since then the wow economy has been hugely inflated, everything on AH costs way, way more than back then, yet casual people are still able to use AH. Yes, healing potions cost 1g a piece rather than the 5s silver a piece back in 2005, but since then the price of Copper Ore and herbs has sky-rocketed too so paying 5g for 5 potions is no biggie as you can make that money in ten minutes of picking herbs, even as a lowbie..
What I'm saying is, that a lvl 10 player in 2009 has way more buying power than a lvl 10 player back in 2005, because there is so much more money in selling on AH these days, yet training and repairs are still at 2005 levels.
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i can see a problem. people can buy gold for cheaper than a one month subscription fee, they would use that gold to buy the card off of the AH, this would result in inflation.
Buying gold from gold sellers should still be bannable, so doing that means you risk getting your account locked (not to mention the risks you take in volunteering your credit card info to people like that).
Gold sellers could use compromised account to but loads of game cards and then flooding the AH, but that could be countered by blizzard requiring full credit card info to buy game cards. On my account page only the last 4 digits of my credit card number are visible. Buying game card could require me to re-enter all 16 digits, that way a gold seller with my wow password can't use my account to buy game cards..
You
will
be able to buy gold from gold sellers for less than the going rate on a $15 game card, but only at the risk of a ban. On the other hand, gold sellers won't be able to charge $15 for more than the amount of gold a game card fetches on AH, because if you can get 3000g for a $15 game card on AH, why the hell should you pay a gold seller more than $15 for his 3000g and risk a ban at the same time? The gold sellers will have to dump their prices way below $15 before people find it worth the risk to buy.
The difference between buying a game card on AH and buying gold from a gold seller is that the game card can't be traded for real life cash and there is a natural limit to how many game cards a person feels like stockpiling.
Post by
Strandvaskeren
Isnt this basically buying your gold?
think about it - prices would be roughly what gold sellers prices are, say 1000g was £5, and subscription is £10/month, prices would be 1000g/month, meaning it's like trading £10 for ~1000g.
Correct, but with a few differences:
- The 1000g you receive for your £10 isn't stolen. The guy buying your game time token chose to do so of his own free will.*
- You don't risk being banned because Blizz is okay with the idea (assuming it goes live)
- You don't have to volunteer your credit card info to some shady dude from Taiwan.
*The guy buying your game time token
could
be a shady guy from Taiwan on a compromised account, but it would make little sense. He wants gold to sell rather than extra game time, so trading stolen gold for game time would be counter productive.
Post by
chizhik
It's an excellent idea. I really can't think of any drawbacks or creative ways to abuse this system. The only problem is that Blizzard doesn't stand to benefit greatly, so they are unlikely to want to invest into coding and support.
By the way, game time for gold is not going to cause inflation in game. There is no "new" gold being generated - gold is only transferred from player to player, much like it happens now when we purchase items from other players. Only Blizzard can cause real inflation and they do so by adding dailies and increasing quest rewards, gold dropped by mobs and amounts vendors pay for items. Same goes for goldsellers - unless they are bot-grinding mobs and vendoring nonstop, they are only moving gold around.
Post by
Strandvaskeren
It's an excellent idea. I really can't think of any drawbacks or creative ways to abuse this system. The only problem is that Blizzard doesn't stand to benefit greatly, so they are unlikely to want to invest into coding and support.
One way to abuse it would be for a thief to keylog your account, spend all your gold buying up game time tokens on AH, then spamming "Buy 1 month game time, only $5".
A way to deal with that could be to make the items "binds when picked up" as soon as it left the original owners posession - meaning that you could auction or trade a token bought by you, but the buyer couldn't auction or trade it any further. Something like that would also prohibit people from marking up the price on AH by reselling. It should be possible to flag the item "binds when picked up" to anyone except the original owner.
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