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Post by
Skyfire
'Sins of the mind' has little to do with it. It is an ethical matter. If a woman went to kill her son with a knife, but was stopped, she wouldn't have murdered, but could be charged with attempted murder. Same would apply for a woman intent on abortion, if abortion is murder.
This isn't a religious matter (though it could turn into one). It is an ethical one.
So you would lock someone away for a crime they didn't commit?
You haven't seen
Minority Report
by chance, have you?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
'Sins of the mind' has little to do with it. It is an ethical matter. If a woman went to kill her son with a knife, but was stopped, she wouldn't have murdered, but could be charged with attempted murder. Same would apply for a woman intent on abortion, if abortion is murder.
This isn't a religious matter (though it could turn into one). It is an ethical one.
So you would lock someone away for a crime they didn't commit?
You haven't seen
Minority Report
by chance, have you?
Like he said, she's charged with
attempted
murder, not murder
Post by
Skyfire
'Sins of the mind' has little to do with it. It is an ethical matter. If a woman went to kill her son with a knife, but was stopped, she wouldn't have murdered, but could be charged with attempted murder. Same would apply for a woman intent on abortion, if abortion is murder.
This isn't a religious matter (though it could turn into one). It is an ethical one.
So you would lock someone away for a crime they didn't commit?
You haven't seen
Minority Report
by chance, have you?
Like he said, she's charged with
attempted
murder, not murder
A technicality not worth wasting time on, as it doesn't help your case any. Answer the question I imply, please.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
A technicality not worth wasting time on, as it doesn't help your case any. Answer the question I imply, please.
It would help if you didn't imply things, and asked the directly instead.
Post by
MyTie
'Sins of the mind' has little to do with it. It is an ethical matter. If a woman went to kill her son with a knife, but was stopped, she wouldn't have murdered, but could be charged with attempted murder. Same would apply for a woman intent on abortion, if abortion is murder.
This isn't a religious matter (though it could turn into one). It is an ethical one.
So you would lock someone away for a crime they didn't commit?
You haven't seen
Minority Report
by chance, have you?
She
didn't actually shoot President Ford. But, she did go to jail.
Minority Report is about predicting the future, and arresting people before they even try to commit the murder, maybe before they even think about it. That is a question of fate. What I am talking about is intent. 2 very different things.
Post by
Skyfire
A technicality not worth wasting time on, as it doesn't help your case any. Answer the question I imply, please.
It would help if you didn't imply things, and asked the directly instead.
Haha.
The question is simply: Why is it ethical to arrest people who have not committed a crime? Refer back to the mention of Schrodinger's cat, if necessary.
Post by
Skyfire
Minority Report is about predicting the future, and arresting people before they even try to commit the murder, maybe before they even think about it. That is a question of fate. What I am talking about is intent. 2 very different things.
The dilemma of Minority Report extends a bit farther than that, I would say. The first point at which they know about the future murder is when the person begins having strong enough feelings to attempt to murder... which is decidedly the same thing. That is definitely intent.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
A technicality not worth wasting time on, as it doesn't help your case any. Answer the question I imply, please.
It would help if you didn't imply things, and asked the directly instead.
Haha.
The question is simply: Why is it ethical to arrest people who have not committed a crime? Refer back to the mention of Schrodinger's cat, if necessary.
Yes. You don't arrest them for the crime though, you arrest them for the attempt at the crime.
Post by
Skyfire
Yes. You don't arrest them for the crime though, you arrest them for the attempt at the crime.
But they haven't even attempted to commit the crime though!
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Yes. You don't arrest them for the crime though, you arrest them for the attempt at the crime.
But they haven't even attempted to commit the crime though!
Depends how you define attempt. A guy says he's going to shoot the president and gets arrested. A guy threatens to blow up a school and he gets arrested. etc.
Post by
Skyfire
Yes. You don't arrest them for the crime though, you arrest them for the attempt at the crime.
But they haven't even attempted to commit the crime though!
Depends how you define attempt. A guy says he's going to shoot the president and gets arrested. A guy threatens to blow up a school and he gets arrested. etc.
Except, we don't have the knowledge that "he says". It's still only in the "he thinks" stage.
Really, you would arrest someone simply for thinking the act? Ouch... I suspect there are a lot of people in America who would be put in jail right here, and right now.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Except, we don't have the knowledge that "he says". It's still only in the "he thinks" stage.
Really, you would arrest someone simply for thinking the act? Ouch... I suspect there are a lot of people in America who would be put in jail right here, and right now.
Maybe I miss part of the discussion 'cause I don't know who this "he" is.
Do you mean "she"?
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264711
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Post by
MyTie
Yes. You don't arrest them for the crime though, you arrest them for the attempt at the crime.
But they haven't even attempted to commit the crime though!
Depends how you define attempt. A guy says he's going to shoot the president and gets arrested. A guy threatens to blow up a school and he gets arrested. etc.
Except, we don't have the knowledge that "he says". It's still only in the "he thinks" stage.
Really, you would arrest someone simply for thinking the act? Ouch... I suspect there are a lot of people in America who would be put in jail right here, and right now.
I don't think you understand the difference between intent and will. If I were to invite someone over to my house, and rig an explosive to kill them when they got to my door, but the explosive happen to not hurt them, am I guilty of a crime? My actions haven't killed or hurt anyone, and the only property damage is my own property. Is it your belief that I should be released without charges?
Post by
264711
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Post by
MyTie
Yes, if it isn't illegal, it is legal. We are speaking about ethics here. There is no difinitive scientific way to show whether or not abortion is or is not murder. You can measure the life of the fetus, because you can tell when the fetus is no longer alive, and the fetus has to be classified as human, since it cannot be classified as a different life form. So, abortion is the premeditated ending of another human life, not out of defense, war, or even passion. By definition, it is murder, lawful or not. Scientifically, well, people are able to rename the 'human' to 'fetus', and the 'life' to 'trimester'.
Ethically, this isn't something that can be excused. Legally, Roe vs Wade is as inappropriate as dread Scott. There is nothing in the constitution which allows for it. The supreme court should have passed on the case.
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