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Hyperspacerebel
Your form of argument is very annoying. You take things so literally... let me go step by step.
I know, cold logic hurts sometimes.
All embryos are essentially the same until they develop.
Since all embryos are essentially the same, the species tag becomes irrelevant.
All embryos are embryos.
What separates a human embryo from the rest if not the physical features?
1) No they aren't
2) See #1
3) Truisms are truisms.
4) Biological make-up.
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MyTie
All embryos are essentially the same until they develop.
Since all embryos are essentially the same, the species tag becomes irrelevant.
All embryos are embryos.
What separates a human embryo from the rest if not the physical features?
1) No they aren't
2) See #1
3) Truisms are truisms.
4) Biological make-up.
HyperSpaceRebel speaks truth. I promised myself i'd stay out of this argument but GOOD GOD someone needs to go and read a biology book.
The four years of science and genetic engineering in my brain is screaming for blood.
EXACTLY. It's such a stupid arguement I wasn't going to honor it either. pigs =/= humans
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Bullets aren't shrapnel, but if either end up in your brain you're going to be in some trouble.
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Hyperspacerebel
I was saying that for the sake of argument. Let me cut it down a little more then; I'm not trying to say anything about embryos or pigs or whatever, let me put it this way:
If Being A is identical to being B in every physically conceivable way. But being A is a human and being B is a non-human, what makes being A superior to being B?
Yes, I understand pigs are not the same as humans. I don't even know how to word it anymore so people understand my question.
Show me one being that is identical to us in every physically conceivable way.
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Hyperspacerebel
But along the lines of biology, embryo's are all fairly similar at early stages so i don't think the arguement is that outlandish. I think your utter disregard is nothing more than blocking yourself from having to explain your point of view.
Pretty much. They're just going around the semantics and implications of what I was asking without adressing my question.
They are not identical. It's as simple as that.
Faulty premise.
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Hyperspacerebel
How does "as far as I'm concerned" even come into this? You just admitted that they are intrinsically different beings. How my limited perception perceives them in no way affects them.
I could easily determine which is which, just give me 20 minutes in a lab. Essentially your saying if you blindfold someone and make them feel mashes-up spaghetti in one hand and feces in the other, the fact that they can't tell them apart makes them the same in species.
I'm not saying anything about species
. I'm not making any argument regarding anything about biology.
I'm simply trying to create a scenario in which two beings are physically the same
but one is regarded as superior to the other for some other reason.
I was trying to make you ignore the species; not saying it didn't exist.
Don't contradict yourself.
Please.
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Hyperspacerebel
Screw it I am going to put it into these terms so there is no possible way you can actually suggest it doesn't make scientific sense (although you will find a way to dodge it I am sure).
Why is it that humans are so high and mighty but another animal (pick one, I don't care which, but preferably one we eat or kill or wear, something we kill) is less so? You can kill a cow but not a man? An elephant but not an infant? Why? "Oh god its a human we cant kill it!" Is your premise for not allowing abortion but we kill animals all the time and think little of it. It's rediculous not to question this thought process.
Intellect and will.
or
Instincts.
Whichever you prefer.
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MyTie
Pigs are very SIMILAR to humans. We're all meat as far as Im concerned. Have you noticed lions have no issue butchering humans for food?
But along the lines of biology, embryo's are all fairly similar at early stages so i don't think the arguement is that outlandish. I think your utter disregard is nothing more than blocking yourself from having to explain your point of view.
We're all meat as far as Im concerned.So... when you see a child on a playground, and you go to the meat department of Safeway, it's the same thing?
Even if what you were saying were halfway rational, it's all subjective opinion. I reserve the right to disregard it. Present scientific evidence that pigs are the same as humans and we'll debate it. Until then, I really don't care to hear about your mental rationalizations for cannibalism.
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