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Post by
Rankkor
a tought ocurred to me while having breakfast this morning, let me know what you think.
on cataclysm there is no evidence that sylvannas is there, so this little theory "could" happen, is just a tought.
on the movie "Ghost" the protagonist Sam is killed whitout him deserving it, because of it, when he died, he had some "unfinished business" so he remained on this world, untill he could seek out justice to his killers, and protect the one he loved, after his unfinished business were taken care off, he was at peace and he departed to the other world.
sylvannas was killed without her deserving death, and she herself describes her condition as "being a slave to a torment", so why doesn't she has comitted suicide? she hates what she has become, she hates how the world sees her as nothing but a monster, so what exactly drives her foward? is her revenge against her killer of course.
what if, after she finnaly obtains her revenge after arthas is dead, she finnaly doesn't have any more unfinished business? she is finnaly at peace, and just fades away, dying in peace, and leaving the leadership of the forsaken to some new leader.
she's not the only one who thinks like that, there is 1 NPC on vengeance landing that says this line "when the lich king is dead, only then I can die in peace".
maybe just maybe, after arthas is dead, sylvannas won't have a reason to linger here anymore, and will just acept her death and leave this world.
His point was that the Horde cracking down on the Undead doesn't necessarily mean they're not trying to secretly work on the blight, and is in absolutely no way proof that they never will work on it or produce it ever again.
I'd love to see how you can work in secret when u're under house arrest, and have constant uninterrupted surveillance 24/7.
rankorr is once again zealously affixing the "proof" label to something that isn't proof--or more accurately is not proof of what he thinks it's proof of
I see evidence of no more plage being developed, and plp placed in charge of making sure no more plage is developed.
you on the other hand are not seeing any evidence of plage being developed in secret, and what you say is basically speculation.
I got evidence to back up my claims, where is yours?
basicaly, you want the forsaken to develop more plage, and so, when confronted with compelling evidence that they arent' you simply say "pff, they develop it in secret".
I served my purpuse on this thread, wich was to show that coming 3.3 the forsaken are not producing blight, that crap was declared Illegal by thrall, and if used again, it will be without the aproval or consensus of the horde.
also bear this in mind please:
why did the forsaken joined the horde?
because without the horde the alliance or any other major group would had exterminated them long ago.
already a group of betrayers from within the undead used the blight, killing many horde and alliance soldiers, the horde decided to forgive the forsaken, but added 1 rule.
if they are to remain on the horde, no more plage is to be developed.
if the forsaken ignore this rule, disobey the mandate of the warchief, and secretly produce more blight, what do you think will happen?
what will happen is that thrall will kick them out of the horde, and more likely declare war on them.
if the forsaken are at war with both alliance and horde, they will NOT survive.
on cataclysm you see that the forsaken are still within the horde.
that's evidence that they will not use blight anymore, since blight has been declared ilegal by the horde, and if they use it on icecrown citadel, the horde would kick them out.
apply logic to that one.
everything I've just said here, I had said it before arkham, but had no proof to back up my claims, and what happened? plp said I was just speculating, plp said "the horde still want to use the blight, and you dont' have proof that the horde is against the further creation of more of that plage".
well this time I've presented proof that at the very least the horde DOES NOT want more plage being developed, and if the forsaken fail to obey this comand, they will be executed or expelled from the horde.
since on cataclyms they are still part of the horde, by logic one has to asume they obeyed the comand of the warchief, and no more blight was developed.
so don't call me a zealot again, what I'm presenting here is not speculation, this is proof.
what you said was indeed speculation because you lack proper evidence to back up your claims.
Post by
Skreeran
Good theory, but unfortunately, we know she'll be in Cataclysm...
http://www.wowwiki.com/Sylvanas#Cataclysm
Also, I'm sure Garrosh supports a weapon as powerful as Blight, so they might kick production back into gear after he becomes Warchief.
Post by
Rankkor
ohh :P nevermind that little theory on sylvanna's death then, but what do you think of my proof about forsaken and the blight skreeran?
Post by
Skreeran
Added a little edit in there.
Basically, I think that they've stopped producing blight, but they still have the formula, and I think they could get back to producing it in no time if the ban was lifted. (Say by a certain idiot Mag'har).
Also, on a semi-related note, I found it rather disappointing that the human prisoners are still in the Apothecary quarter. :(
Post by
Rankkor
after I saw the trailers of cataclysm again, I saw that the forsaken were using common catapults against the worgen.
why not a plage barrel? a barrel of that crap could do more damage to the enemy than a simple boulder from a catapult.
maybe its because they don't have any plage to trow since it's not being developed.
also bear this in mind, garrosh is a tottal idiot, on that we all agree, but he's a paranoic iditot too.
he had agmar to check and read all incoming and outcoming mail to make sure there were no betrayers inside the horde.
he doesn't want to be betrayed, and allowing the forsaken to continue production of the blight would put him in dire danger.
on the battle for UC; we saw that undead aphotecarys were using gasmasks to become inmune to the blight, if on cataclysm, they were allowed to make that plage, what would stop them from using that same tactic?
a simple vial trown in the face of an overseer and presto, an aphotecary can escape, if all doit at the same time u get an armed rebelion rite there.
allowing blight to be produced would put garrosh himself in danger, as a simple forsaken could hide a small vial of the stuff get close to garrosh, and then shatter the vial, causing garrosh to die rite there. (and yhea forsaken being dead and all could hide that vial anywere, I mean they could just swallow it to avoid detection in a cavity search)
for all the flaws he has (and god knows he has many) I doubt garrosh is that reckless as to allow an unstable group get their hands on a weapon that could hurt him as much as it could hurt the enemy.
if other races such as trolls of blood-elves learn that formula, I could tottaly see garrosh making them do the plage, but not the forsaken.
after all they are "in the dog house" after wrathgate.
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Post by
Adamsm
I could see Sylvanas murdering her sisters if they stepped between her and the Lich King, as she is that consumed with hatred and revenge.Hmm, I'm really surprised no one reacted to that comment heh.Well, I don't know if she would. Besides, if they defended the Lich King, wouldn't she kinda have a point in killing them?
I never said they would be defending him, I'm just saying if they got in the way; tried to stop her from killing him as if he goes down, some final trap triggers which could kill everyone in the Citadel or something, I could honestly see her not carrying, strike them down, and continue on after the Lich King, uncaring if everyone else dies as long as he does.
Post by
Patty
....
I'm glad I was out when this crap kicked off.
Quit it. Everyone.
This pointless bickering is making L&RP seem hostile, so bury the hatchet for good.
QFT.
Anywho, I really think that Sylvanas is mentally scarred, however I doubt she would kill her sisters if they stood in her way.
Post by
Skreeran
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I'm glad I was out when this crap kicked off.
Quit it. Everyone.
This pointless bickering is making L&RP seem hostile, so bury the hatchet for good.
QFT.
Anywho, I really think that Sylvanas is mentally scarred, however I doubt she would kill her sisters if they stood in her way.Same.
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Post by
Patty
As far as the changes go, as an Alliance supporter I think they're overdue; but I'm glad they're being done.
As far as Sylvanas goes...people set on revenge 'at all costs' will do terrible things to those around them, if they feel it's necessary. Sometimes they regret those actions afterward. Sometimes.
I can, unfortunately, see the Horde keeping some of the Blight around 'just in case'. But I believe it would be kept under VERY strict controls. And making more would expose the Horde to serious risks. Garrosh is a belligerent ^&**head...but I don't believe even he's that stupid.
Sadly (and I don't see any mention of this) SI:7 would also be working on a counter-agent to the Blight...as well as something comparable for the Alliance to have as a weapon.
The Gnomes could also bottle the stuff that nuked Gnomeregan. Just a thought.
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Post by
Adamsm
The problem is, the Scourge Blight/Plague is slow acting, takes a few hours/days to fully affect someone, but the Forsaken Blight is fast acting and liquifies your insides... and your flesh..... and your bones and gooey bits. So, unless it's a pre-emptive thing, like a vaccine, I can't really see a counter agent for the Blight being created.
Of course, we all know the Lich King has already found the solution to it, as he merely breathed in the gas a little, and his strange undead body somehow learns from the poison's that are put into him.
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Post by
Adamsm
I believe that magical shielding and things such as what Thrall did in Undercity can perfectly counter the Forsaken Blight. But that would be some expensive and probably pre-emptive shielding nonetheless.
If there's a practical answer out there, its simple: tell the faction leaders not to be stupid and make a RAS for themselves already.
And we know fire, either dragonfire or other, can destroy the Blight, but if it get's inside you, your dead, that's the whole point of the thing; to kill the Living and the Scourge.
Eh, again, it's a moot point, both sides know how to create it apparently, so hopefully it will just stay like the States vs Russia during the Cold War; both sides have nukes, but neither side is actually willingly to use them.
I personally don't believe that, but that's just my synical side showing through.
Post by
Patty
Well, let's hope that there are plenty of Disc priests (Like moi) when the Forsaken are near...
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
But I don't think that, in a world of magic and super powerful gnome warriors tanks, the Blight is the Ultimate weapon.It's up there with the Demon Soul when it comes to widescale death and destruction. The Blight kills everything; things that are alive, dead, and I'm sure if you could actually aim the catapults, you'd be able to hit things like dragons and the like, cause as big as they are, catching a Blight barrel to the face would def be a bad end to a day.
I also don't think that the Alliance wouldn't use it if they could, lorewise =D.
Oh, I have no doubt about that.
Why would the Alliance be able to produce the Forsaken blight anyways? Wouldn't that require experimenting with living, making Varian one big hypocrit(sp, fix plox)? And I mean lorewise.Thats.... hard to say. Maybe they stole some samples while running through the battle of the Undercity, and one of the quests in the Fjord has you attacking the Blight tanks that are testing it on the Vyrkul village, so technically someone could have stolen some and took it off towards SI:7 to test it and find things out about it.
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