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Lady Proudmoore - Delusional or intuitive?
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Post by
Patty
So, what do you think of Jaina Proudmoore, and Theramore as a part of the Alliance?
What rank of prestige, or power, would you (in your opinion) say she holds over the Alliance? Is she naïve about the Orcs, as she was apparently shielded from the worst of the Horrors of the First two wars. Is she nothing more than a promiscious girl?
Or, is she a diplomat willing to see outside the box, past old grudges? Is she doing things for the greater good? Is she nothing more than a fanatic pacifist, blinded by idyllic peace which is doing her nation, and the Alliance, more harm than good?
As asked in the thread name, is she delusional about her ambitions, or intuitive and passionate?
Basically, it's a thread to discuss all things Jaina, because I notice she's always getting mentioned in threads irrelevant to her.
Except maybe her !@#$s. Actually, them too
.
You could even speculate over her love-life, like reading an article from
Heat
magazine, or gossip about what people are saying about her!
Also, due to the fact that this is a discussion thread, it's open to discuss and argue against/for other's opinions in a
constructive
and acceptable way, with no flaming etc.
So...
GO
!
(Let's try getting this a mention in the weekly review ;D)
Post by
Adamsm
Considering the family she comes from..... yeah it's actually nice that she can see the big picture. Of course, joining with the Horde and Night Elves for the Battle of Hyjal was both a good choice and a chance at revenge, after all, the Scourge/Legion killed her mentor.
I admit I like Theramore from Lore, the idea that it is a place where both Horde and Alliance can meet and travel in without open warfare... usually. Would be nice if they made Theramore into a sanctuary city for Cataclysm.
As for the love life thing.... lets see: The creepy elf prince wanting to cradle rob her when she was all of 13-14, then the Prince who destroys the world, and now her one way feelings for Thrall(again, she reminds him of Taretha).
Post by
Patty
Well, I forgot the link but there was a ridiculous Jaina/Kael'thas Video I saw somewhere.... >_>
Hmm, here's another question, seeing as there've not been many replies:
Do you think Jaina could have done more to stop Arthas on his road to damnation?
And Thrall, well...I don't even know if he has a sexual orientation.
Post by
Adamsm
Do you think Jaina could have done more to stop Arthas on his road to damnation? That came up in Nightmares(vol 5 of warcraft Legends) of course that ended with her greatest fear, she would have become the Lich Queen and her first servant would have been Arthas.... But it's hard to tell, after all, she promised him that "She would never turn away from him", and then she does, I'm sure that didn't help with Arthas's fragile mind set. Had she stayed with Arthas, would she have been able to stop him? I'd honestly say no, and she might have ended up like Maurdin did, lost without her mind in Northrend.
Post by
Skreeran
She's totally doing Thrall.
Well, let's see, I don't have much time, so let me keep it brief...
She certainly has reason to mistrust the orcs, they killed her brother in the Second War.
However, she has enough experience with Thrall to understand that orcs can be honorable and trustworthy.
On to whether she's a traitor or not: As far as Daelin goes, she did the only reasonable thing. When it's one fairly innocent person (her father) trying to kill another mostly innocent person (Thrall), and when siding with her father will get her and her people killed, she did the smart thing and got out of the way. She's no traitor. She was keeping her people safe.
As for teleporting Varian out, that was also a smart thing. Varian vs. Sylvanas and Thrall is definitely a one sided fight. If she had sided with Varian, Varian and Jaina vs. Thrall and Sylvanas is much more reasonable, but my money's still on the chick that can possess people and the orc that one shotted a necropolis. And then Jaina and Varian vs. Thrall, Sylvanas, and Saurfang (he was coming in, remember), it's just no contest.
As for her and the Alliance... I think she's still considered a part of the Alliance, although a more distant part.... You gotta remember, the Alliance isn't a single country with states, like the U.S.A., it's just that, an Alliance. She's allied with Stormwind, but not necessary blindly loyal. Theramore will do what Jaina says, and sometimes that lines up with what Varian wants.
She has *!@# too...
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Post by
Adamsm
Do you think Jaina could have done more to stop Arthas on his road to damnation?
Jaina did not know Arthas would become the Lich King, one can only assume she thought he was simply going mad. Don't forget that she loved him, and his action probably left her broken hearted and unable to act assertively.
Arthas broke up with her, he got cold feet when he realized that if he married her, he would be tied to her for the rest of his life.
Post by
Patty
Yeah, to clarify; I was asking more specifically, what Irinida said basically. A rephrased version would be:
If Jaina had done anything differently at any point in her life, do you think she would have saved Arthas from morphing into the Lich King?
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Skreeran
Saurfang got in because Jaina made a portal.... And, even if Jaina is a Passive Alliance, her people are still loyal to the alliance.I'm pretty certain it wasn't Jaina who made the portal. We got there the first time without her portal, and she didn't say anything regarding her making a portal. Edit: As a matter of fact, watched the video again, and Jaina was long gone before Saurfang appeared.
As for her loyalty, I know she's Alliance, but not necessarily loyal to Stormwind. Just because Varian says something doesn't mean it's treason if she doesn't do it.
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Skreeran
Then who did make the portal? And Varian has yet to claim she made treason.I'm guessing the same Horde mages who made the portal we went through the first time.
And I know Varian has yet to accuse her of treason, but I've seen lots of players say that. I'm just clarifying, Theramore does what Theramore wants, it's its own city-state, not any sort of Stormwind colony.
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Adamsm
Jaina made a portal to teleport herself, Varian and the players out of the Undercity before they did something regretable. She is one of the true voices for peace on Azeroth, even more so then the Tauren or the Draenei. It also doesn't matter if Varian says it's treason or not, the City state of Theramore isn't part of the kingdom of Stormwind, it would technically be part of Kul'Tiras as that's where Jaina is from.
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