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Why DK's are OP and a balanced fix.
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...I am getting accusations of being young from someone who can't spell freaking 'decipher?'
...you know what, you're not worth the effort. I should have known that when you started the thread by calling DKs nub knights. Just goes to show I need to stop giving people benefit of the doubt.
If you think my posts are too long, try reading a book sometime for sake of comparison.
Hehe, you didn't see the humor in that sentence? Too bad.... I would think anyone that has driven thru a deer community would appreciate that one. =/
The main weakness of DKs is their ablitys are on CD. Once DG is used there is 25 seconds (35 without talents) of inablity to pull anything near them. Chains of ice is great, yes but it actually DOES affect our dps if we spam it, as an unholy knight if I spam Chains of ice right away, I won't be able to use Scourge Strike, and even after I get two Death Runes from blood strike, I still have to wait 10 seconds before I can use them (Unless I use Blood tap, which is also on a CD.). Also if your a ranged class and I chain of ice you at range (while snared) it does me no good. In arena it dosen't matter if I chain of Ice a priest, as long as that rogue keeps crippling posin on me, with DG on CD the most I can do is silence him for 5 seconds. (usually the CD makes it usable once/twice in arena.)
As for this. Everyone has CD's. Everyone is vulnerable to relying on them to get a kill or put massive pressure on someone and hope for a kill.
There are 4 specs atm that do a horrific amount of burst all at once combining big crits and killing things withing 4-8 seconds. Frost DK's, Ret paladins(with full furious), Ele Shaman, and Destro Locks.
Unholy DK's aren't as dangerous as Frost DK's IMO, they are just way more annoying. It's the difference of a 2 minute fight against a 30 minute fight.
Also, for the record, ret isn't getting nerfed. Someone mentioned that just recently. It's getting rebuilt from the ground up. Lots of QQ, and I can agree, a ret keeps me in bear form more than any other class. I have mostly furious gear, and literally got 2 shot by a ret. It's all RNG, but with a 1000 or larger swinging weapon, they are very dangerous in their current build. I'm just hoping it's still balanced after they even out their dps, and they can still put out enough with the changes to resil.
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Ok.. so everyone wants the Dk to be nerfed, let him as nothing... will be easy for you all in this way... but... first what about the Ret Pally? that is OP for a long, long time... and noone is doing something to change it....
I know that DK is strong.. ok, but not invencible... and for those that say "But from a warrior point of view DK is imortal"... this is the most stupid thing... every class have their "nightmare"...
If a DK is the worst nightmare for a warrior, frost mages are the same for us... a example!
As someone said before, what you all want is some char that isn't capable to do pvp as equal... so what is the fun of a pvp? always win? ohhh congratz... very nice for you all... so close your eyes and imagine a beautiful magic realm where you're a god and noone can defeat you... is the same!
Lets talk about cooldowns, do you think DK's cooldowns short? hummmm and that mage blink? someone have something to say? very hard to do some rotation where you make "spell, blink, spell, blink, spell and blink again.. ohhh surprise... what will you do next? blink? wow... what a surprise... this, for sure, is so much better then DK's cooldowns hum?
Some people has already noticed this: DK is strong not invencible. And those who think that DK is a God, is because they don't have learned one skill in trainer... PLAYER SKILL... ohhh sorry.. this isn't there to learn... what a pitty... sorry... I'm a bit tired of crying children... =) nice game for you all and sorry about my crap english hahaha
Sorry, but you're a perfect example of either a DK who facerolls and knows nothing about other classes, or a scrub. Or possibly both.
Ret paladins are OP yes, and they're being fixed without a complaint. They realize they shouldn't be able to do what they do.
You DKs on the other hand, for some reason, just can't accept the fact that your class is totally broken compared to everyone elses. Stop trying to defend yourself. Its pointless and incredibly annoying.
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Off topic.... Lets not keep this going but....
On a side note, when will my Destructo Warlock get nerfed? Sure, its fun killing people in 2 GCD but...it feels like I am a rogue in vanilla (find a clothy, ambush him, he dies, restealth, rinse and repeat)...
ZOMG this! I mean but destro locks, are seriously out of control. My paladin has 23k hp in BG's, and I was fighting a destro lock tooth and nail, I got him all the way down to 21%, blew all my cooldowns to get him that low. Bubble, LoH, trinket, dispeled Immolate like a mofo... Right after I used my LoH, he got an immolate off and feared me, I was dead.... literally... 2 seconds later.
That's not balanced.
Yet, blizzard thinks it is.
Oh, and he was wearing hateful shoulders and head, not deadly, or even furious.
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you guys must not have ever played a dk im guesing?
if you take away our slows/silences/tank cooldowns we have NOTHING left. dont even pretend our damage is any good. its complete crap. if your arena team isnt dispelling disease you suck. we CANT burst you down like other classes (rets, hunters, rogues, warriors) ALL we can do is wear you down with cooldowns, self heals and weak ass attacks. line of sight helps but pulling this off isnt a cake walk considering you would have to be at 10k health or lower and without a healer for a few seconds >_>... and not wearing plate...and shortning the disease times would even further screw our burst and our pve would be pretty %^&*ed. you take away our slows/DG we should actualy get faster rune generation or a -50% healing attack.
DKs are a lot like frost mages.. not very often do u fight a frost mage and all of a sudden "zomg i went from 16k health to 0 in less then 2 seconds.." but im guesing you do say that a lot against a destruction lock? just because rushing up on the healer isnt working you continue to do it and qq on forums.. how bout CCing them or kiting them while their CDs are up? atleast make them waste the runes. if you waste a DKs cooldowns they have nothing. just put ur -50% healing crap on them and burst them down. all ur healer has to do is use an instant cast every once in a while and dispell diseases... is that really hard? pallidens i kno u dont have -50% healing, you just have to use ur avenging wrath at a good time and use all your instant attackes.
I'll refer to what I said to the other DK who said something similar to this:
Sorry, but you're a perfect example of either a DK who facerolls and knows nothing about other classes, or a scrub. Or possibly both.
Ret paladins are OP yes, and they're being fixed without a complaint. They realize they shouldn't be able to do what they do.
You DKs on the other hand, for some reason, just can't accept the fact that your class is totally broken compared to everyone elses. Stop trying to defend yourself. Its pointless and incredibly annoying.
Yes. I did just copy&paste that. Know why? Because all you did was QQ and what I said previously sums up just about everyones feelings towards DKs.
Your point is "we can't burst without out our diseases that you can just dispell!" Well, let us think about that. Most classes that can dispell... are healers, yes? Well, shouldn't/wouldn't they be, here's a brilliant thought,
healing?
What class should HAVE to dispell another classes attacks over and over again in order to just
survive?
You can keep spamming your diseases all damn day, a healer is going to go oom between dispelling, and healing.
If you seriously think DKs are okay, and have no burst, please read my quote box again. Then go delete your DK.
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if your seeing 10ks then man, you should seriosly get reislience and that DK should stop bringing raid buffs in to the arena.. O WAIT! he cant....im hitting around 4k!s in full deadly gear with a titansteel destroyer.. please, dont exagerate dmg just to prove your point. 500 muts each hand? i find that odd considering most rouges hit me for about 2k with their mainhand and 1.5k with their offhand..
lesson 1. if you play a rogue.. and you cant drop the enemy healer in seconds you suck.
lesson 2. dont base your point on false information.
Titansteel destroyer and Furious weapons are worlds apart. But I'm guessing you haven't realized how imbalanced DK's are yet if you're still in full deadly and a titansteel.
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