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Debate: Do the ends justify the means?
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Post by
Skyfire
Go!
PS: If someone brings up religion, you will be punished swiftly and surely by the gods of forum posting.
Post by
Queggy
No.
Post by
150866
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Post by
reyan
No.
QFT
Post by
Skyfire
Why?
Post by
reyan
hm i guess im not very good of thinking of scenarios but lessee:
im hungry
pregnant lady has sandvich
i punch pregnant lady in the stomach and grab her sandvich and eat it
i am no longer hungry.
does that illustrate it properly? im actually not sure if that does
Post by
Skyfire
But that's not the kind of answer I'm looking for.
Take war as a means to
anything
. Can war be justified?
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150866
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Post by
Laihendi
If it's for the greater good, of course. Is that what you're getting at?
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Post by
ASHelmy
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. If I
know
that a child will grow up to murder millions (including children), I think it would be foolish to let him live. Also, it would be stupid to murder millions, just to stop one person from dying. Like I said at the beginning, it depends on the situation at hand, I guess.
Post by
Skyfire
If it's for the greater good, of course. Is that what you're getting at?
I'm
not getting at anything. I'm just curious to see if this will generate discussion.
Post by
blademeld
In a business sense, if profit > cost then yes, justifiable.
In a moral sense, probably not for most cases this need to be weighed on.
Post by
Skyfire
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. If I
know
that a child will grow up to murder millions (including children), I think it would be foolish to let him live. Also, it would be stupid to murder millions, just to stop one person from dying.
What if you don't know what will come?
Like I said at the beginning, it depends on the situation at hand, I guess.
Should it though?
Post by
ASHelmy
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. If I
know
that a child will grow up to murder millions (including children), I think it would be foolish to let him live. Also, it would be stupid to murder millions, just to stop one person from dying.
What if you don't know what will come?
Like I said at the beginning, it depends on the situation at hand, I guess.
Should it though?
What do you mean? If I Am not sure that he will murder those people? well, I guess I wouldn't harm the child then...
edit: What do you mean by "should it"? We can't just make a concrete set of rules to blindly follow
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Post by
TheMediator
What I find strange - there is a lot of hate for socialism, yet at the same time there is so much emphasis on "the greater good". Socialism is "the greater good" taken to the extreme... diminishing your utility slightly to boost others utility moderately is a maneuver that is best for "the greater good", yet most people think that is unacceptable.
I think its just that people love the idea of sacrifice, but rarely if ever want to be the one actually doing the sacrificing.
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Post by
reyan
sometimes youll just be stuck, unable to truly decide whether a choice was "for the greater good".
a common hypothetical situation that is brought up is this:
a train is coming and 10 people are stuck on the track in front of it, you foresee this before it happens and have a lever that can change its course to another track which will kill only person who is on the second track.
would you change the track and save 10 lives while condemning 1 man who would not have died if not for your decision?
can you stand by and watch 10 people get killed while this 1 man remains unscathed?
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