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Laihendi
That may be true, but by today's Society, it's become a Christian symbol.
I mean, you typically get married in a Church, don't you?
Vegas doesn't count.Christians get married in churches...
Nerd Rage Bar's rising...
You're really getting involved in this Laihendi.
Arguing on the Interwebz, is like playing in the Special Olympics.
Even if you win, you're still retarded.That's because 9 out of 10 internet arguments are about video games and internet memes.
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Mischieff
I'm very close to saying nothing but bad things about pretty much every person who's replied so far in this thread.
Wowhead has come to this? Pass.
Uh oh people are talking about something other than video games and internet memes.
It has nothing to do with that fact actually, and to be honest, you're one of the more intelligent posters in this thread, so I wasn't meaning you. I may detest the way you post, but you're smart enough for me to respect that. Everyone else? Ignorant or making stupid remarks in general.
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Laihendi
I may detest the way you post
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Post by
Lusky
Anyways, back on topic.
Drop her, go find new friends outside of church, do some unchurchy things, and actually live your damn life.
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Post by
MyTie
Well based on your argument I'm inclined to disagree with you. Marriage may have started out as a religous tradition, but in our society it is very much a legal matter as well. There's marriage license, right to inheritance issues, and medical decision making powers that default to the spouse, but if a couple is gay they have no access to without marriage. On the other hand, if it were strcitly a religious tradition I dont think it would be as much of an issue. Its not like you see the GLBA marching for the right to pray, take communion, sacrifice chickens, or any other religious traditions. I agree with you on that gov't shouldn't regulate religious matters, just not that marriage, in our society is strictly a religous matter. Personally, I think the right to marry just kind've became a focal point that represented validation to the Gay community. like the right to vote for women's suffrage.You haven't explained why it should be a legal matter. You have said that it 'sort of is', but not why that is a good thing. I take that back. You did give a few matters of legal importance:
Marriage License: This part is the part I am saying the state has no right to print. Much like you said, a 'Communion License' is equally obtuse.
Right to Inheritance: This is even a little sketchy even when the state does issue a marriage license. It is best to have a will, which supercedes just about everything. Gays can will belongings to eachother.
Medical Decision: This, again, is not cut and dry even with marriage licenses. There are forms to fill out giving medical decision consent to the people you elect.
The point is... Government should not recognize marriage. Until you present a valid reason why it should intrude on this religous matter, I will stick with my train of logic. Separation of church and state.
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Post by
Cambo
Hi Mr Frosty.
I'm Christian, so can add some stuff here.
Being saved is a personal thing between you and God. It pretty much happens when God confronts you about your sin, you feel convicted, then you accept that the only way out is by what He offered on the cross. No religious organisation or religious leader can tell you if you are 'ok' or not. I spent years at church, people saying I was "awesome", yet I was grotty inside and all messed up. It wasn't until 3 yrs later that I had a supernatural experience and became saved. There is no pre-packaged salvation that churches can give away when they feel like it.
Anyway, if you love God, and she loves God, then there isn't much difference. Baptists can be pretty strict and selective with who they let in their circles. If her denominational rules dictate who she can and can't have relationships with, then that's a big problem. After all, Christianity is about loving all people, right?
Just make sure you chase after God, and yearn to know him better. That's one of the most important traits a christian girl can look for in a guy.
-Cambo.
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Post by
Random0098
Marriage is an institution in which interpersonal relationships (usually intimate and sexual) are acknowledged by the state, by religious authority, or both. It is often viewed as a contract.
It's not always about Christianity. Whether you're christian or not, you can get married. The church has no say in whether a Jew can get married. The church has no say in whether an Atheist can get married.
The church (and for that matter, any religious authority) only has a say when the people want to have a religious ceremony using their religion for marriage.
The state CAN (and should) legalize marriage for homosexuals, but I don't think they can force religious authorities to perform the rituals.
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MyTie
Most people ('sides Boots) recognize that marrige is a religious institution. Some even agree that the correct solution is for the state not to recognize it. However, no one but me feels that the right thing to do is to fix the problem, instead of just doing the easier thing, and giving government MORE power over religious institutions and allow them to define who can and cannot participate in a religeous cermony. My rights are being impeded for the sake of 'ease'? Sorry that I am such an inconvienience.
And for those of you who say that marriage is not a religous tradition... you're wrong. Just because everyone else uses it, dosen't make it any less valuable to my religion. Imagine if everyone started taking communion socially. Would it then be ok for the state to regulate that part of my religion?
You all got so wrapped up in the pro gay vs anti gay that you didn't use any common sense.
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Random0098
But MyTie, it's not just part of
your
religion, so it's not
just
the church's decision.
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