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Post by
MyTie
No... The book says that God will decide who does and who does not go to heaven.
In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.”
By this rational I will not go to heaven... but again... you have taken the Bible out of context. The verses before that expalin how they were pointing the finger at eachother wrongfully... The IN CONTEXT of that verse is explaining how people do sin, and lead wrong lives, but they make it into heaven in the end, and this is true of EVERYONE... so we should not 'bring lawsuit' or point the finger at eachother (1 Corinthians 6:7).
Try again?
Post by
Laihendi
So the bible says gays can't go to heaven, but j/k?
And for your information that was taken from a christian website.
Post by
MyTie
Let me paraphrase the verses for you:
"We've all done stuff wrong. If you follow God's commandments, you can go to heaven. That goes for EVERYONE. So, don't point the finger at other people and say they won't go to heaven."
Interesting you chose those verses to say that we can condemn homosexuals, when it was saying the exact opposite.... Is there anything Laihendi CAN'T take out of context?
Post by
Laihendi
So if homosexuals choose to not take part in homosexual activity then they'll go to heaven and God will forgive them for being sinful.
And Laihendi linked the page where he got that from, so it's not his fault you're too lazy to read it yourself.
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211590
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Post by
Sagramor
I think the most silly thing is I believe there's part of the bible where it says that sinners are apparently just hateful or jealous of god... yeah that's definitely why homosexuals love each other, because they hate god Oo.
If "God" hated Homosexuals so much, why doesn't he just make a plague that wipes them off the face of the Earth?
What happened to "For God so loved..."? Why all the hate & vengeance?
...Just one more reason why I loathe Christianity, and religion as a whole...
Don't loathe religion. Loathe organized religion.
Post by
MyTie
So if homosexuals choose to not take part in homosexual activity then they'll go to heaven and God will forgive them for being sinful.
And Laihendi linked the page where he got that from, so it's not his fault you're too lazy to read it yourself.
Laihendi linked part of the bible... like... 2 verses... Not only did I read it, but I read the text around it to get the entire meaning. This makes me lazy?
If God sees anything as sinful, and someone does that sinful action, and then later decides not to do this anymore, and instead to follow God, then God says he will judge that person according to His/Her heart. Asking me what the outcome will be won't get you far, because I don't know. Who can know the heart besides God?
I'm sure I have many many things wrong. I am very glad I am not the judge of who gets in and who doesn't.
Post by
Laihendi
Laihendi linked part of the bible... like... 2 verses... Not only did I read it, but I read the text around it to get the entire meaning. This makes me lazy?That right there makes it pretty obvious you didn't read what Laihendi linked.
If God sees anything as sinful, and someone does that sinful action, and then later decides not to do this anymore, and instead to follow God, then God says he will judge that person according to His/Her heart. Asking me what the outcome will be won't get you far, because I don't know. Who can know the heart besides God?The problem with Christianity is that it makes the assumption that gays are living life wrong, and they should have to forsake who they are in order to get to heaven. And then you get the Christians who are thinking they're such great people for tolerating gays who suppress their homosexuality.
Post by
TheMediator
Laihendi is just a bag of paradoxes, in one thread he says something about rightness and wrongness, and then he comes in here and says that its wrong to make an assumption about what is wrong or right.
Post by
MyTie
Laihendi linked part of the bible... like... 2 verses... Not only did I read it, but I read the text around it to get the entire meaning. This makes me lazy?That right there makes it pretty obvious you didn't read what Laihendi linked.I don't care what those supposed 'Christians' said... I looked at THIER references... 1 Corinthians 6:9 and the other verses of the Bible. I'm sure that the people who wrote that could have misinterrpereted it. I won't make that mistake.If God sees anything as sinful, and someone does that sinful action, and then later decides not to do this anymore, and instead to follow God, then God says he will judge that person according to His/Her heart. Asking me what the outcome will be won't get you far, because I don't know. Who can know the heart besides God?The problem with Christianity is that it makes the assumption that gays are living life wrong, I'm gonna stop you right there to make the distinction between Christianity and people who claim to be Christians. According to TRUE Christianity, we all have problems, and should study for ourselves and look inward to remove the plank from our eye. continueing... and they should have to forsake who they are in order to get to heaven. And then you get the Christians who are thinking they're such great people for tolerating gays who suppress their homosexuality.How is this me at all? When have I ever said this? Are you coming to conclusions about me before you know what I think at all? If you aren't, then perhaps I have beliefs that are possibly agreeable? Is it possible I have a different view of Christianity than other? Is it possible you should listen to what I have to say before shoving me off the bigot cliff?
Post by
Laihendi
Laihendi didn't say you specifically. But he knows many christians who do believe that.
Post by
Laihendi
Laihendi is just a bag of paradoxes, in one thread he says something about rightness and wrongness, and then he comes in here and says that its wrong to make an assumption about what is wrong or right.
Murder harms society. Two gay guys living together doesn't.
Post by
MyTie
Laihendi didn't say you specifically. But he knows many christians who do believe that.
Are they truely Christians then? Since that goes against the teachings and the example that Christ set?
Post by
TheMediator
Laihendi is just a bag of paradoxes, in one thread he says something about rightness and wrongness, and then he comes in here and says that its wrong to make an assumption about what is wrong or right.
Murder harms society. Two gay guys living together doesn't.
So your viewpoint is, if it makes society better (which is vague... increase the overall happiness of society?), than its alright, and if it doesn't, then its not?
Post by
MyTie
So your viewpoint is, if it makes society better, than its alright, and if it doesn't, then its not?
That's not what he said.
Post by
Laihendi
From what you're saying... the bible condemns homosexuality but condemns those who condemn homosexuals?
It's still saying that they way gay people love and live is wrong.
Post by
Laihendi
So your viewpoint is, if it makes society better (which is vague... increase the overall happiness of society?), than its alright, and if it doesn't, then its not?If someone is doing something that harms others, he is generally punished for it. Two gay people being in a relationship doesn't harm anyone.
Post by
MyTie
From what you're saying... the bible condemns homosexuality but condemns those who condemn homosexuals?
It's still saying that they way gay people love and live is wrong.
I'm saying that the Bible specifically tells me that it is not my job to place condemnation on anybody. I should look out for my own footing. I should remove the plank from my eye. I should look inward, to fix my own faults. That is Christianity. You will never, no matter what you do, hear me place eternal condmnation on anyone, for anything. I will not cast the stone. Anyone who does or says otherwise, is not following the teachings of Christ.
Post by
Laihendi
The bible itself still says homosexuality is wrong, and that homosexuals won't go to heaven. It doesn't matter if it won't allow other to judge, when it makes disgusting judgments itself.
Post by
MyTie
The bible itself still says homosexuality is wrong, and that homosexuals won't go to heaven. It doesn't matter if it won't allow other to judge, when it makes disgusting judgments itself.
Those are your beliefs, and I respect them. Please don't assume you know my beliefs. If you DO know my beliefs, try not to be too judgemental of me.
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