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Post by
Random0098
I see no difference in the how the couples should feel when they're getting married, regardless of their religious views.
Post by
MyTie
I see no difference in the how the couples should feel when they're getting married, regardless of their religious views.
Why does this make it ok for the state to regulate it?
Post by
Random0098
I see no difference in the how the couples should feel when they're getting married, regardless of their religious views.
Why does this make it ok for the state to regulate it?
They should, and already do, regulate marriage for all those people who do not follow a religion. I don't think that they should regulate christian ceremonies or force churches to marry people they refuse, but for those people who do not follow a religion, but still believe in the importance of marriage, the state regulates that.
If marriage is not reserved as a religious ceremony, then we have lost the separation of church and state.We lost the separation of church and state a LONG time ago, when you consider the state benefits you get when you're married.
Post by
MyTie
people who do not follow a religion, but still believe in the importance of marriageWhy do they find marriage particuarly important?If marriage is not reserved as a religious ceremony, then we have lost the separation of church and state.We lost the separation of church and state a LONG time ago, when you consider the state benefits you get when you're married.
What benefits do I gain from marriage I could not gain from other legal social contracts?
Post by
Random0098
Why do they find marriage particuarly important?
Because, although it may not be thought of as a promise to God, it is thought of as a promise to each other. I consider that to be kind of a big deal.
We lost the separation of church and state a LONG time ago, when you consider the state benefits you get when you're married.What benefits do I gain from marriage I could not gain from other legal social contracts?
That's not what I was arguing with that statement. I was showing you that the fact that by getting married (
religious
marriages included) you gain state benefits, then church and state are not separated.
Post by
TheMediator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union
The state-side legal contract already has another name. Its just that churches throw the term gay marriage out there to get everyone riled up about civil union's between two men or two women.
Post by
MyTie
Because, although it may not be thought of as a promise to God, it is thought of as a promise to each other. I consider that to be kind of a big deal.Big deal? Yes. Grounds for government oversight? Still not seeing it.That's not what I was arguing with that statement. I was showing you that the fact that by getting married (
religious
marriages included) you gain state benefits, then church and state are not separated.
What benefits are particular to marriage? Name one.
Edit: Mediator... I have yet to see anyone oppose civil unions.
Post by
TheMediator
What benefits are particular to marriage? Name one.
You aren't allowed to visit someone in the hospital in intensive care unless you're married or blood related (or one of your blood relatives is married to them, or your partner is blood related to them, etc. etc.).
Post by
MyTie
What benefits are particular to marriage? Name one.
You aren't allowed to visit someone in the hospital in intensive care unless you're married or blood related.
Sounds like hospital policy needs to be changed, not marriage.
Post by
Random0098
What benefits are particular to marriage? Name one.
Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.
Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
There are apparently like 1400 or so.
Big deal? Yes. Grounds for government oversight? Still not seeing it.
Why
not
let the government regulate the non-religious version of marriage? It's easier than setting up an entirely new organization (similar to a religious organization) to do it. The government is there to serve the people - This is just one of the ways it serves.
Post by
43552
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Post by
TheMediator
I live in North Carolina.
zomg.
Post by
Laihendi
Anyways to what I said early, the reason I said same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt is because I think if two people who want to marry each other, they should be able to, but the message shouldn't sent that kids should be gay. People have the right to smoke but I don't think we should put cigarettes straight into kids mouths.
People are either born gay or not... that's it. Once again, your stupidity is showing.
Post by
43552
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Post by
Laihendi
MyTie, do you not realize that "religion" can be something other than "Christianity"? You say that the government shouldn't interfere with marriage because then it interferes with your religion's interpretation of marriage, and yet you think the government should use legal force to enforce your religion's interpretation of marriage on everyone, regardless of whether they are Christian or not.
Not everyone is Christian, and those who aren't Christian shouldn't be forced to live by Christian rules if there really is separation of church and state.
Post by
Laihendi
And before you try to say that it is, marriage is not a Christian institution. Marriage predates recorded history, which began over 3,000 years before people started practicing Christianity.
Many people of other faiths than yours (or of no faith) get married.
Post by
TheMediator
Anyways to what I said early, the reason I said same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt is because I think if two people who want to marry each other, they should be able to, but the message shouldn't sent that kids should be gay. People have the right to smoke but I don't think we should put cigarettes straight into kids mouths.
People are either born gay or not... that's it. Once again, your stupidity is showing.
Ok, how does prison gay fit into your equation? People who are straight and have strong attraction to women, when cut off from them turn towards men to fill their sexual urges?
Post by
Laihendi
If they had the choice between a man or a woman, they would choose the woman, unless they were born gay.
Post by
TheMediator
If they had the choice between a man or a woman, they would choose the woman, unless they were born gay.
Your brain is small.
Post by
Laihendi
BECAUSE BEING GAY IS A CHOICE... AND STUFF... RIGHT?
Toonice,
There are alot of threads floating around PTO that are asking the exact same question, however I will answer it for you here.
"men mess around with other men" is a life style for most people in this forum. We are Gay men and women, and we are not just "fooling around".
You have to understand that while in prison, some men do have sexual relationships with other men, and these are not Gay or Bisexual men, these are guys who need some type of sexual relief, and if it is with a man, than so be it. I have seen several men never partake in a homosexual relationship while in prison, however I have seen happily married men have a gay relationship.
WHY? I do not have the time to type out all of it, but to make it short, we as mankind or sexual creatures, and when someone is locked away for many many years then he can get sexually frustrated, which leads to sex with whatever is the closest to him at that time. Is it wrong if he does this while married? Yes, but it is a choice that he has to make. Their is no way to know if someone is going to cheat on his wife with another man, and I know alot of women fear this, but the truth is you never know.
Where I went to prison (Mississippi) I would have to say that out of 160 inmates in a building, at least 100 of them either had relations or wanted to have relations with another man. The more feminine a guy (my case) the more you were wanted and seeked after. And yes these men were straight, gay, bi, married, fathers, engaged etc.
This is by NO means to say though that all men do this, some states are different, some it is less common and some it is more common. The only way you can feel comfortable is to have a trust built with your loved one.
The Gay lifestyle is not "sick", "Nasty", "perverted", or "gross" as some people try and make them out to be, it is simply 2 people showing love for one another, and it shouldn't be confused with horny men in prison who are looking for the first thing that comes along.
I hope that this helps some, for anyone reading this please remember this is a place for support and understanding. While we all have different views and opinions, please remember that your view and opinions are not the only ones that count. Please keep a open mind and lets keep this discussion as it is meant to be informative and supportive.
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